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What are your preferred pronouns?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=6.45,8.88"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e My opinions are. And he. His eye is on my Clemens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=10.47,16.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. And what is your sexual orientation and your gender identity?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=17.77,22.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e My site for information is gay. My gender identity is male.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=24.13,29.86"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. So when let's talk about your journey through, you know, your finding and discovering and self journey. So when did you first realize that you were gay or that you started to have those those feelings towards other guys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=34.1,54.98"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I get any questions from him? I didn't have the actual language, so I heard this from you, I believe, when I was in middle school. An attraction to same sex comedy happened in seventh grade. So as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=58.84,84.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And how was that experience for you when coming to terms and realizing that you were gay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=87.37,93.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So I threw myself into school. Once I went, when I was, I was having this thought, I'm from like a religious background. So I think when I got here, I was like, No, I'm not. That can be. So I just like, put it down. For a while. And I feel as though that wasn't helpful to me. But when I really, really came to my own was. 11th grade when one of my professors. Well, basically, like my mom found out that I had a boy and we went on like, one day. It was really nice also. And I think basically when my mother freaked out about it and she, like, read my phone and I didn't come to terms with it because it was like. If I would simply let my mother and. I like openly told one of my professors in high school, and she came out to me as bisexual at the time. And that's really when I was like, okay, like, I really admire this person and my idea and then like, the stigma kind of thought to have like to know someone. Well, I didn't know he was part of the community. Like to have someone like to look at. Which is really it was nice, I guess, because it gave me the sense. Like, oh my, it was it was a curse or whatever. So I think the plan became a little more comfortable with myself. And I certainly like him. I'll. And you want to stay for my informal graduation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=95.32,238.57"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. And I have one question for you. Well, I have several questions for you. So one of them is saying that, you know, you were that your religious background was something that was affecting or something that played into you pushing it down. Could you elaborate on maybe what religion was it or well, what were some of the thoughts that you were having and conflicting with your religion?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=242.68,270.7"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, So I, I went to Christian school for. Um, Salvador and I went to school until I was moved to the States where my parents. Oh, give. So I was raised Christian and you know, that's obviously a sin. So that was like always being. My goal was being talked about right when it came to like my mom. Not assessing me is like, Oh, you're going to grow how you get a like all the negative connotations that come with not knowing. I think that's the right word, not knowing what to even means. So that's that's pretty much what I think the downfall. So I think religion, you know, like going to Turkey and hearing this reporting that, oh, they people, we love them, but we don't condone them. Yeah. So basically, like. My Christianity affected Christianity on my family reasons. I was thinking I was 30 like. All the worst things in the world were just out there. You know the thoughts that come with being part of my life, I suppose. So I think I think I think my parents would have been okay with their having not been. Like so drilled into our religion that being gay was okay. I think that's that's what I like to believe. I don't know if that would actually been the case, but I feel like it could have gone easier if my family wasn't if we weren't raised in a country and there's religious beliefs and, you know, I never realized that it wasn't even the country like that. Christians just have that believe all around. And that's the question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=271.12,411.59"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you think and you mentioned that the country, but so do you think El Salvador overall might be a homophobic country or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=414.35,423.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, 100%.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=423.83,424.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So you think that the culture of El Salvador plus you well, your family growing up, Christian, had that impact on how your your mom specifically responded to you possibly being gay and then later later on coming out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=426.8,445.2"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. 100%. Yeah, 100%. I think that. Well, let me put it to you this way. Like abortion is still illegal in the whole country, even though woman is dying. So that alone, like, you know, like contraceptives are not, like, readily. Around 75% of the country is either Catholic or Christians. And, like, my saving grace was always like, at least Catholics in Britain. So my the country that I come from is very much rooted in religion. Um, like right now you're seeing like a little bit of an uprising from so many communities, and I think that's like a worldwide movement, but it's far behind in. In bright for people. I don't I don't know if this combination is true. I find that countries that are. But are often times trying to dictate what women can do. Are also homophobic. So I find that to be true on every country like you can. You can judge it. You can get confused by how they treat their words like their poorest citizens or the most marginalized citizen. And that's kind of like how it was from what I can recall, because I left really young. But from my experience, gay was not okay and neither was like. Taking birth control or anything. That's basic human.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=447.1,557.24"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. And another thing I wanted to point out is that you use the word the word curse to to say like, this was not a curse when you were talking to your high school teacher who also came out to you as bisexual. What do you mean by curse? Like. Could you elaborate more on why you might have used that term?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=560.86,582.31"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think that's like a lot of, like a curse that follows me. If we just look at you weird, you know, and just like. Honestly, I think it's like a parallel to the response that they had against. And we side with them in life in the camps. Mary Ridenour I like it was. Dude, criminals, homosexuals. So like, it's always been there, like whenever people are being targeted. You always seem to we always seem to find objects to be able to be in that target area. And given the Middle East, like oftentimes, like, for example, I want to go and travel. Who? To the Middle East one day. And I know that the way I became could be seen as. Game based on phones. And I think that that would put me at a Target team with that. That's just a no no. Right. So it is kind of a crazy. But also that that to be that the way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=584.86,667.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. And so you mentioned that your mom discovered this through like a text message, and she reacted in a way. That could be described negatively. Is this how she found out that you were gay? They questioned you more. How was that conversation with her when it came to like you texting another boy and maybe going on dates with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=672.0,698.94"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it wasn't even like this conversation. It was more like, I know they are gay. I know that you gave me your computer, your laptop, and there's an AmeriCorps by someone paid by the government that would give us five to work for a month. It was. There wasn't much of a conversation for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=700.43,725.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So she reacted more than actually speaking with you. She reacted in a way that was like, I'm taking your inner away. And was this for you to like so you couldn't talk to other boys or or why do you think she took the Internet away?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=728.88,743.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, you see, this is where it gets really interesting. She said thank the doctor and disaster in that she was like my whole body. I didn't want to see someone wanted to put me through hormones because she thought that I was lacking them. And this doctor is a medical professional. So we went. She was wearing a hijab. I think it was some sort of like hair covering. And she said it's because he watches too much TV. Is because we listen to the radio, it's because and I was like when I was young, I, I was like, that's where. But as I got older, I was like, That is so unprofessional. Like, how dare you ask someone who took an oath to not cause. As someone who took an oath to not cause harm. Like you're doing the opposite. And I wish, like my younger self had the courage to speak out at that time, but I wasn't educated. And that's something that gave fuel to my mom to be like, You hear that Dr.. Things that is suppressing, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=743.88,831.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So in a way, it sounds like that they were trying to do some sort of conversion therapy with you or if not conversion therapy, there were. It sounded like they thought it was something that could be cured.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=834.79,848.14"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Allison Yeah, I think that it was like the. They thought this was like the flu and it gave me something like I would I would somehow like Fever Bird, I don't know. So but it didn't work. And like a lot of the my teacher really put herself out there telling her like this. Okay. Um, he never told her that she was A.E. because, um, I don't think she felt like that would help. Right. And the fact that she didn't. She didn't. She didn't. My teacher didn't like. I hate like you didn't. You couldn't tell. She wasn't like the characters that you see in TV, right? That are often represented as flamboyant or if it's a lesbian, represented as overtly. Feeling like they're compensating for something. So that kind of help call my mom a little bit so I might spend a woman like that whenever I was like, Because you wanted to pull me out of school because you said that's always to have to be friendly. So you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=849.47,932.43"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I just want to make sure when you said doctor is like a pediatrician, it is like it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=935.34,942.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like it was a pediatrician, like, you know, business like you've been talking about gender and sexuality. But then we are.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=943.05,953.46"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So this was not a psychologist or psychiatrist. It was just a pediatrician that was suggesting this things to your mom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=956.34,963.42"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So basically she saw my mom had like negative for me, so she just went along with it and like, was not was not a bad person at the time. They just they were like a regular human being, someone So and that's where they come from. Like these people don't even know you and me that I have this notion of you just because of somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=964.96,991.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. So it sounds very much that your high school teacher was a very positive and influential person for you to, you know, kind of walk you and guide you through through this experience and, you know, trying to figure your yourself and, you know, talking to your mom. So you said that your mom also tried to pull you out of the school because she thought that school was like enabling it and allowing you to have that sort of thinking and make expressions and all that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=995.21,1027.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So. So it's like charter school. I'm going to go to my local community school. Partly because it had a bad rap, like I think the year before when I was supposed to. But I still like some of the songs and I had already been starting to get. We had middle school. So I decided to enroll myself in the charter school. It was smaller. They had a curriculum. It was focused on getting yourself to college. And I don't want to get lost in the system of LAUSD. So I did the best that I could want to have available. And the school was so small there would only be students. It was easier for the teachers to keep an eye on us. And we had they had a lot of extra really bad extracurricular activities. And you got one on one time with your professors and teachers, so. And it was rooted in like native medicine and taking reclaiming your power and my faith. They just did like a lot of work to put this in our city youth in college and like. They broke down. A lot of you good kids have a big school system. So they all made us feel I didn't belong in competitions. And with that with knowledge and power and learning about gender that we had. And it was primarily focused on the Mexican restaurant. Mexican history like now, was not all that empowered, but they were teaching. I think there was a third gender and that middle and that both people at the time were the ones that were considered. Because they had good energy and you know, that they were normalizing that. And that didn't sit well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1028.319,1167.4"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. Thank you for sharing that. And you you mentioned the experience of bullying. So is this something bad was because you were perceived as a gay boy or do you think anything like that with your sexuality had to do with the bullying that you were suffering in middle school? Or is this completely exterior?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1171.72,1193.8"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I think a lot of I am from like other boys. I think it was because I was there from like I did not for like I didn't want. Yeah, I think it was because my like my first stupid even though I wasn't even out at the time, I didn't even know, you know, like I think for me and you know, through a break that was about it. And obviously I was like, not going to talk about this. So I think it was because they they thought I was they were right on. But also I wasn't games that I'd been in like sports. Does that make sense?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1197.99,1240.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. We we shouldn't associate with, like, you know, liking sports or like, putting things in the binary of like, Oh, you're a boy and you should like this and you're a girl. You should like that. So, no, I completely got it. And. You mentioned that your experience in high school was it sounds positive. It sounds that they were, you know, allowing you to express yourself and be who you wanted to be and how the like, you know, after high school, how was the experience for you? Because I feel like and I believe that sexuality keeps growing and and it's more fluid and you feel more comfortable as you're growing up. So how was it for you after high school? How was your your part, the new experience with everything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1242.21,1286.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I guess it was like I, I was so comfortable in myself, I didn't have thing. I was like, bullying isn't really like a sexy quality because you are not forced to spend 8 hours to sleep for something ethically simple. So like, you go to class in the university, you go to class, and then you like you go wherever you want to go. I will be able to read, Discover. Like the community at my best. I met my first TV out and found people and I didn't find a home there. However, nothing, no community. I found a home within another intersectionality that I have, which is being someone who was undocumented. And that was really beautiful for me, I think, because these were people who are heterosexual and like, they didn't care that I was gay. And this is the first time that I met like straight men who were like, are so confident and would hug me like the gaping wasn't an issue for us, like the thing that we all had in common with the fact that we were undocumented, in fact, at the club through college, and we needed a support system. So I finally felt like, Oh, I'm about one out and know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1287.37,1374.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So you did go to college and that's something that you're mentioning is that in college you felt more comfortable when you met people who were also gay. How was that for you? How was seeing other, you know, LGBT plus students and peers and having like that support system that you have that you build the support system? Besides, you know, your undocumented classmates or undocumented students. Did you build them an LGBT plus system or was that not like something that you were like? Actively searching. It just came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1377.48,1416.99"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I wasn't. Yeah, I was not actively searching to be part of the community. We just had to make my priorities different. And there in a sense that I was I was worried about how to pay for college. I was worried about. How do? How to get a job, how to navigate that for an email and everything to dream up like and there were their worries were like, Oh, well, I need to find a partner, you know? Like dating and all of this and give me wrong. That was important for me, but it wasn't as important as the other ones. Like I, I at the time, I had a boyfriend already in college, pretty young, right before I started college. So looking for a partner was not in my priorities. Like, I was like, okay. And when I went to the to the meeting w CV meetings, what I found was people like, I'm setting you up. Like, if you would like, who can I hook up with here? And. And I didn't, I didn't feel comfortable, I guess at the time, maybe because there wasn't I'm proud like they were as of yet. Um, so yeah, I wasn't actively seeking that out. And I mean, it was great to see out and gay people, but also, like there was this cattiness that came with that I was not a fan of, but I did find my best friend there. Um, we both went to the first meeting. We met each other and then we, like, never went back, but we became best friends. So that was like my, like I did befriend someone who was a value community, but I also wasn't like, that wasn't who they were, right? That's just their sexuality. There was more to it. Um, I didn't get interested, however, in the academic aspect necessarily. So I take on a minor in general sexuality to understand like, um, how gender. Comes into planes. In people's minds and and just like, learn more. Right. So I wanted to be educated. On gender equality, in pronouns and all of that. And the group the Sierra Club was not doing. They were. It was a social club. Does that make sense? I wasn't gaining valuable information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1418.38,1569.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So this and I'm assuming it's like an LGBT Plus or some GSA Gay-Straight Alliance type of club. So it was more of a social club where you could meet other gay people, where you were not learning much about your community and learning more about your experiences in and, you know, being part of that spectrum. Is that what it was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1572.09,1597.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it wasn't social club. It was just like it was nice, like if you were looking for. Many people say I was looking for another type of community, not their type, like they would. And, you know, it's not their fault really, probably for our young, but their priority for socializing. And my priority was my papers and my status. And I think that that's what drove me to, like a community within within the undocumented folks. And also, I felt normal there. Like I didn't feel marginalized. Like being gay was not who I was. Right. I was blessed with them. Like, if the like who I had sex with or who I was attracted with wasn't that important to them? You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1597.68,1649.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. Yes. And so your college experience sounds like you were able to finally come to terms of who you were, your sexuality, your your status. How would you describe that going forward throughout your entire college experience? How do you think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1651.3,1674.19"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This Web site. You're you're coming off of. Can you hear me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1674.82,1687.69"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1688.32,1688.32"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. I can hear you now. Or you think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1689.67,1690.99"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So how so? Sounds like college was your your period of time where you were able to feel comfortable, be more out, feel more confident. How was that experience with your with your mom? Because, you know, years had passed and you were in a different mindset than where you were in high school. You were in college. Things have changed. How was that conversation with her?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1691.98,1718.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, at that time I had gotten diagnosed with Kim Mia and that kind of like the way they your life in general. So like after. Which is kind of funny and like, it's something I'm exploring, but to put it short and sweet, they basically were like, I rather have a gay son, son. So that didn't become an issue in and I got educated in the community through my minor. So I think that really helped me bring information to them. And they talk about this gay person that existed in like in the 1960s and talk about all the horrible things that people did to the community. And like I became like a self advocate. And at that point they were just like, happy to have me, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1719.48,1774.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So your leukemia also played a factor into your. Your mom and I'm assuming your family accepting you and realizing that they would much rather have you alive than. You know, they they kind of like it sounds like they kind of came to terms with you being gay because they wanted you to keep you alive. And that was like their priority at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1782.28,1806.01"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. They were like, well, gay. My life sounds better than that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1806.97,1810.39"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And how would you describe your your life now, now that you are an adult? College has passed. How would you describe your your life as an adult? Okay. And in the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1813.74,1826.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Mm. Well, I live in California, specifically L.A., so I describe it as like, pretty normal, like being gay. You know, it's not like. I don't know. I'm not that big of a deal. So it's good, right? I'm married, so there's stability there. So I think it's a good experience. I have nothing to complain about when it comes to my TV. I mean, the worst thing that's happened in my own quality is like really being really adamant about getting tested for HIV, even though many haven't. And that was it. But. And then that. It. It's nice. However, I feel that the NA experience of the whole country and when I travel, I feel like I have to be very careful, like my balance and sexism I have. So like traveling there is scary. I, I find myself in southern states a lot of the time and I don't feel safe there. Also like I. Like, you know, being Latino in some parts of the state. It seems there for me, especially with their inquiry that we had last year with our 45th president. So being gay and the mean Latino. I was like, this is not a good combo. I know. So, you know, there are some spaces where I don't feel comfortable or I like have to be very vigilant about where I'm at. However, like in my everyday life, like where I live or where where I work, it's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1828.07,1945.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I'm very happy to hear that. And, you know, happy to hear that you are comfortable. You're married. You're you know, you are going with your adult life. And like I said, you're very privileged to live in L.A., in California specifically, you know, a state that seemed to be a good place for an LGBT. Not everyone, but, you know, it's it's a good place for for you specifically. But was there any media or was there any, like gay positive role models growing up, like growing up or later on that you discovered through pop culture or anything in general that kind of like help you through that? Coming to terms and accepting your sexuality and just, you know, being proud of who you are. Or any other events?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=1949.59,2002.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not when I was younger. I guess Glee was the closest thing, but it didn't really respect my reality. Predominantly, the audience was like. Um. White. So I didn't have anything to do with me. But I think I might be myself. And it wasn't because she was. She might have been queer. We don't know. We can ask. So I think just her resilience that she had. Like that will to live. Yeah. So like. And to live unapologetically her like the fact that she wore suits and smokes and like. Have sex with women. I thought I was pretty bad ass. I guess she was just doing her and, like, minding my own business and. Being happy. So she wasn't positive a possible. Like pop icons at the time. Just put in my head. Obviously now as we have grown up, like I think I think like of it's true love on on Netflix. There's also. Other films like I think we have more representation and smart, equitable. I guess Drag Race was kind of like the cool thing at the time when I was growing up too. So yeah, probably like Drag Race, the color were like the only. Only places that I saw felt like me. And by that I mean like queer people of color. But other than that, like, well, not much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2004.45,2118.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And were there any events that you were able to also express who you were and appreciate and accept yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2121.27,2130.21"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Any events.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2132.71,2133.01"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You know, like Lydia, you tend to like, for example, maybe Pride or any other LGBT plus friendly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2135.31,2140.9"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh. Yeah. West Hollywood, I think, was a big, big part of my adulthood and before I started, like working full time. I think they also. I think it also helped me open up some doors when I was in college. When it comes to representation. But no. Yeah. So it was cool. I got to be myself and a couple of chefs and. Last, But yeah, yeah, definitely. With Hollywood was a big one. I think that's like Sander. I would do TV experience for people who live in and in L.A.. Um. But yeah, putting one of my sons. I was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2141.93,2201.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you so much for your time. And, you know, sharing with with me your experiences. And I truly appreciate everything you've done and I wish you the best of luck in the in the near future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987#t=2204.79,2215.05"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56635/file/130987/transcript/44934/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Thank you. 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