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Could you tell us? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2.54,13.94"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Cool. Yeah. Um, so, um, I'm non-binary and pan sexual, and I kind of knew that something was kind of different, I guess, about me. Pretty, pretty young. All things considered. Probably just around puberty. So October 13, Middle school, the best. The best years of life, right? Um, but yeah, I grew up in, like, a Christian household, and I, you know, I was pretty I mean, I was pretty homophobic, to be honest. Like, I the girl that, like, I eventually, like, she was my best friend, and I, I fell in love with her and she is kind of how I knew that I wasn't straight. Um, like a year prior to me knowing that she came out to me as bisexual and I like was really mean about it. And I to this day, I really regret it too. Um. And so it's just kind of ironic and a little sad that I think it was a little bit of an internalized homophobia, things just like being kind of indoctrinated, to be honest, into the whole like Christian, you know, deal. So kind of figure that out freaked me out when I found out I was actually dating a guy. I was dating a guy from my church. I actually went to two different churches, one like nondenominational, like megachurch and the one like Anglican Church, which is like pretty similar to Catholicism. But there's some slight differences. And to be honest, like, I don't know what differences are, but I was like, I felt like up. I don't know why, but I felt obligated to like to tell him that I wasn't straight, you know, it wasn't really his business, but like, I just felt like if I trusted him or whatever, then shouldn't he know? I guess. So I did. I told him and he was like, or I don't know how I feel about it, so I'm going to need some time to think about this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=14.66,165.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What did you tell him, though? Did you come out as.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=165.98,168.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I came out as bisexual. I didn't I didn't have the word for like not I don't really have the word for, like, not being a girl. Like, I didn't have the words non-binary, but I was, like, more concerned at the time with not being straight than figuring out, like, that other part. I just knew that something as far as that was concerned was kind of I just kind of like didn't like feminine things. And yeah, so like I came out to him as, as, um, as bi at the time, um, he was like, okay, I need some time to think about this. And I was like, okay, well, whatever. And then I think a couple of weeks later I called him back up again and I was like, Hey, it was his birthday. I was like, Happy birthday. I call him Happy birthday. And then I heard I told him not to tell anybody, but he told his mom because and the reason I know this is because she was basically guiding him through like what to say to break up with me. And like I heard her in the background say stuff like, just tell just tell em this is the pronoun that she used at the time. But she said, you know, tell her, which isn't my pronoun. My problem is for anyone. Tell her that you're not comfortable with that. And then he, like, basically said verbatim what she said, except saying, like, I'm not comfortable with this. No, no, no. It was like, I like I guess I understood her, but it was still kind of sucked because, like, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=169.43,263.54"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You expected him to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=264.05,264.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Understand. I didn't expect and understand. I didn't expect anything. I was I was pretty much expecting the worst considering that like, um, you know, but like, again, I don't know why this is like a recurring theme in my coming out is like some sort of feeling obligated to tell people like, yeah, I've always had this thing where I am, I guess you can say an overshare sharer overshare when it's like, not actually pertinent for people to know. Um, let's see. And then kind of like, I think shortly after that I came out kind of in a group setting. I like had a sit down with some friends. It was on the, on the track in middle school with there's a bunch by the track. I saw them all down like it was some sort of like, like I was sick or dying or something. Like I had some crazy ass news, which I guess, you know, it is kind of, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=265.1,331.07"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e For some people. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=332.66,333.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I did have a couple, like, Christian friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=333.68,336.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And you said this was in high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=338.51,339.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This was in middle school. Middle school. So this was I was like 13. And I, I, I feel like I'm bisexual. And their reaction was like, kind of, I guess, kind of indifferent, like, whatever. Really? Okay. Or like, my Christian friend, um, I don't really remember what he said, but I don't think we really hung out too much after that anyway. Um, and then I think my Jewish friends are pretty much okay with the, um, like, you know, the girl, the. I had a crush on my best friend at the time. She was probably okay with it, but she was probably a little like mad still because of the whole, you know, me being really mean to her for a little bit. Yeah, it was the same. It was the same girl who came out to me, like, a year before, and she was like, I'm bi. And I was like, You can't. I was like, You can't be. Cause I was like, very concerned for. I was like, concerned for her. So, like, I was starting to, like, whatever, but I didn't get it. Like, I didn't get how what I was doing, how what I was doing was like, extremely problematic until later. And I was like, Oh, it's. It ended up being her that I like that. How I found out that I wasn't straight because I had a crush on her. It was like I mean, it was really intense crush to like, it lasted for like there's really years and years because we stayed friends for, like, several years. For several years. Yeah. Um, and then when I started dating this one, dude, she didn't like. Like, basically she stopped hanging out with me, and I kind of regret dating that guy now because it's like, I wish we would have just stayed friends, but whatever. Um, it sucks that she had to make me choose. That's beside the point. But anyway, I came out to my other two best friends, and they were kind of not cool with that for us, to be honest, because they also were raised Christian. But like, they pretty much got over it pretty quickly and that all of that was when I was like 13. Flash forward a couple of years later. Oh, sure, sure, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=340.52,484.08"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which one? When you first came out, I know you told us that it was a, um, you were dating a boy from church. That's correct. Um. Could you maybe specify around what age or what were you in elementary school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=484.28,500.56"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I was like 12. Like when I found out all of this, I was like 12 or 13.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=500.98,505.15"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So still middle school age? Mm hmm. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=505.93,508.09"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like the whole story I just told you happened, like, with probably within, like, a month or two period of time. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah. So flash forward, like, two years later. Um, I am in the E.R., and I. We're trying to figure out what's wrong with me because I am having intense stomach issues and waking up, like, extremely nauseous. And we find out later that, um, I have stomach ulcers from the kind of, like, constant anxiety I had over school. Kind of just, like, manifested itself physically and, like, made me really ill. And I had to go into a program called Home Hospitals. So I basically not I shouldn't say dropped out, but I stopped having I couldn't go to public school anymore. And I had a basically a tutor, a teachers into my house like once a week. So when we were in the E.R., it was me and my mom. My parents are divorced, so it was me and my mom. And my mom was married to a guy at the time. And I don't know if he I don't know if he ever knew. I don't know if he ever found out because I never told him. And I don't think she ever told him. But anyways, so like so your mom and I did come out to my mom that day that when I was in the E.R. it came out. I don't know why. I was like, maybe I was scared or maybe I just felt I definitely feel obligated again because I was feeling very close to her at that moment. And like, I think I just had this complex of like, if you love someone, they need to know, like everything about you, apparently, which I learned very recently, like, that's not true. Like you get to tell people whatever you want, it doesn't matter, but so it's all there. And she was like pretty much not very cool at first, which was very understandable. I told her like basically the real reason that Harris and I and I broke up. I don't remember what I told her at the time of why we broke up, but I told her about the whole how it, you know, and it was cool that Harrison ended up not telling anyone. I don't think he ever told anyone else, but I stopped except for his mom. But. And maybe his dad. But I kind of, like, ex-communicated myself from that church, if you want to call it. I just. I stopped going there because I was too embarrassed because I was afraid. I don't know if what people thought they found. Oh, probably be weird, probably be bad. But my mom made me go to the other church until I was about 16, so 15. And so for like a long time, I'm dealing with internalized, like homophobia and being scared in church and, like, choking down like, panic attacks every weekend. But yeah, so not very cool with the, uh, she says not allowed to have girls over like, sleepovers anymore. And now I have to keep my door open for everyone that comes over. Um, but to be honest, I think she, like, I think she forgot because after, like, a month or so, like, I would ask every once in a while if, like, have a friend, like a friend who's a girl, like, stay the night and she, she was like, yeah, I think, I genuinely think she just forgot that she had that and told me at one point that that wasn't allowed anymore. And I think she just got like she got cool with it over time because she's a very like she's a really understanding person. She just if she's not exposed to a concept she doesn't quite understand. But if you explain to her in like a real rational way, you know, she's not she's not really dumb. She just like, isn't always exposed to the most progressive ideas or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=508.54,751.33"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And it's not exactly prevalent in media, especially back like back then nowadays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=751.63,758.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e About ten years ago. Yeah, I'm 23 now, so yeah, this is like ten years ago. And then I started going by a different name. I started going by a different name. I'm not going to say it, and I had to make people kind of I've just kind of forced people to call me by your name. And it was tough, but it worked. And people have been calling me that ever since. It actually was really tough to get my especially my dad to call me by my new name and my brother. But eventually everyone, you know is, you know, when once you start meeting new people, it's like. No one knows unless you tell them your dad name. And that's not anyone's business anyway. So fast forward two years later after I come out to my mom. Me and my dad never had, like, a super good relationship. He remarried a couple of times, so he remarried this one lady. And we like I mean, we all kind of got along, but we also there were just some things I knew not to talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=759.04,830.69"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The one where you were. You staying with your father at this time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=832.02,834.95"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Okay. I was like I was visiting him. So him he. My parents divorced when I was three, and he moved to Alabama when I was five. And ever since then, I would see him twice a year, basically like a week during Christmas break and like, two weeks to a month in summer break. So twice a year. And he never, never really called me that much. He was kind of neglectful. And then when I was there, he was a little bit manipulative and emotionally abusive. And I, I think he is actually he has some really narcissistic tendencies. I wouldn't say he I don't know if he really has like narcissistic personality disorder per se, but he definitely, like, can have, you know, those kinds of tendencies. So but like also there was also this part of us that always got along. Like we have really similar sense of humor and we're both we really both like science and stuff and writing music. And he, um, he's a producer and he has his own recording studio, like in his house. Like he has a home. A home studio, Yeah. So we would write music together and record it and worked really hard and a lot of that stuff was part of it. We were proud of it and we kind of grew closer because of that. And then I, I had the thing again where I feel obligated to tell him and we were doing like really well. And I felt like maybe now that he kind of knows me a little bit better, maybe, maybe he can come around at this kind of like my mom did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=835.07,941.42"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e At this point. Where they calling you by your, um. Yes. By your name. Mhm. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=942.08,948.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, and when I came out to my mom, I, I knew that I was, I think I had the word for it then, like I knew it as genderqueer back then. I didn't know it as non-binary, but I didn't tell my mom about being non-binary until like way later, like maybe only like two years ago, to be honest. And she's still doesn't quite know how to do the pronoun situation, but she understands the concept of it, which is surprising. She's making an effort. She's making an effort. But I'm having to remind her, like every you know, I'm having to try and remind her. It gets exhausting, though, to try and to have her use my pronouns and say, you know, don't call me your daughter. Just call me like your youngest. You don't tell her people at any rate. So when I come out to my dad, I'm 17 and I I'm feeling close to him and I'm like, I tell him. And I was like, I feel like I got to tell you something. And he's like one. And I'm like, I'm really nervous. But he made me feel comfortable and I was like, Okay, well, yeah, I'm not st I didn't I don't think I said the words bisexual. I said not straight because I think I was too scared too. I think it was it was a shortcut. It was like I didn't want to say bi because it was weird. Um, and it didn't quite, I think at that point I still didn't know what Pan Pan was. Okay. So. I tell him, Emily, he seems okay. He seems like kind of okay. He's like, basically, he's kind of like, It's cool. Whatever. As long as you believe in Jesus. And at that point, I'm still kind of like, hanging on to that idea just a little bit. But it's like by a thread, you know, I've got a lot of doubt, but I'm like, maybe I can, you know, not go to hell if I just try and believe. Like, he gave me a he bought me an MP three and put like the whole Bible on tape on it was like, okay, well I got this thing the listen on the plane and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=950.54,1088.65"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Great exercise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1089.19,1089.46"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Music. Agree. So and then he gave me like some other book to read and I read it something about how I don't know and something about being angry and at the same time and like, being nonjudgmental. It's. I don't know. Um, but he that night he told his wife and the next day she goes, let's, let's go to lunch together. And I'm like, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1089.91,1119.76"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, you don't know that she knows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1120.86,1122.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I know and she, we go to, like, a sandwich place. I think we're in Alabama, and she's got a really thick accent. Um, and she's like, she tells me, you know, I don't really, I don't approve that I don't approve of that lifestyle or whatever. I think that you're sick. I think that you have a disease. I think that you're going to hell if you don't, you know, change your ways. And the reason I know that you're sick is because I got my psychology degree at a Christian college in the eighties.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1123.82,1167.46"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's not bias.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1168.3,1168.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And I honestly tried reasoning with her. I was like, look, like the version of the DSM, DSM, the diagnostic symptom manual. It's basically like something you look up in order to diagnose someone of some sort of mental condition. Okay, based on like their symptoms and experiences and whatever. Yeah. So homosexuality used to be in there. Yeah. And also being transgender used to be in there. And it might still I think it actually might still be under there under something called like gender or gender identity disorder. But listen, I don't know that for sure. So don't like, call me on that. But definitely those things were both pathologized. Um, so she thought I was sick. She thought this is a disease. And she told me, like, look, there are places for people like you to go. Well, I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1171.24,1235.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Mean, in my honest opinion, it's. This is your stepmother. Yes. If you're not really all that close to her in the first place, it's none of her goddamn business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1235.83,1248.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my dad told her, okay, I didn't tell her, but, like, I wouldn't have told her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1249.72,1254.79"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1255.42,1255.42"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But, like, I mean, we did get along, like, we. We had our fights, but we got. I mean, all of us got along. I probably would have told her yes before. Um, so. And I had known I mean, I had known her for ten years at this point. My parents, my dad and her had been married since I was like eight or something. Yeah. So, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1256.56,1282.48"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When you were about 17.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1284.67,1285.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I'm 17. And she says there are there are places for people like you to go to get fixed, to get cured. So it's a pretty way that it's a the pre or the gay away pre the gay away camp. There are you know she's she was trying to send me to a conversion camp she said you should consider going there. I think she even gave me some websites and information and pamphlets about it and I remember thinking like, you know, maybe, maybe I should like, because I don't I really don't want to go to hell. Like, at that time I was still I mean, I had my doubts, but there was a there's the fear aspect that just it drills itself into your.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1286.14,1333.93"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Brain how you're raised that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1334.92,1336.33"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You know. And I had only kind of stopped being made to go to church. My, uh, even my dad knew that I was like, way too sleepy. So we got to go to church and they couldn't drag me in at that point anymore. But I did go every once in a while when it was like the leaders, the youth groups that usually happen like in the late afternoon anyway, kind of like no matter where you go, a lot of the time it happens like later in the day at any rate, though. So I was like, honestly considering it. And then, you know, when I'm flying home, I am listening to this Bible book on tape and I'm like, This isn't you can't make. You really can't make yourself believe anything you don't want to believe. Like you can't. I don't know. It just didn't work. Like, it just didn't stick. So once I got home back to California, I realized, like. I don't want to go to a I don't want to go to a camp like. No. Like, I shouldn't have to do that. So but I still try to believe in Jesus like, tiny bit. But like later I ended up going to a pride in San Francisco with some friends. And for some reason, I was friends with her. On Facebook with my parents, my mom, specifically, my dad and my stepmom. And I didn't upload any pictures from Pride because I knew, but I was tagged. I was tagged in some of these Facebook pictures. So they like at that time, I think they would basically automatically show up and you didn't get to choose who saw them. They would just kind of show up on your on people, see. So she saw that and she was like, very upset. I she was really upset. I think she kind of made my dad more upset than he would have been otherwise. And I actually do know this because we've been getting closer lately. And he basically told me, like, I don't actually care. Like, he's not even religious anymore. Like, they got divorced and he's like, not even. So he's kind of had a complete change of heart. I don't think I haven't come out to him as far as the gender stuff goes, I don't really feel like I want to push that because I've already had that kind of horrifying experience before. I don't want to go through all that again. But so when I turned 18, so pride happens in June or July or something. And so a little bit after my 18th birthday, my dad tells me some, but someone tells me, I think actually my mom tells me I don't think my dad ever tells me directly that he's not going to pay for my child support anymore. And he's he was legally obligated to as long as I was in college. But he's. So that was like $1,000 every month that no longer was able to go to my mother and me to be able to take care of me. Like so I wasn't getting any assistance from him anymore. And I wasn't I didn't talk to him for like a couple of years because. I didn't think I was allowed to. I knew I actually I knew I wasn't allowed to. I was no longer allowed to see my younger siblings. Whoo hoo hoo!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1337.5,1545.41"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Who said that you're not allowed to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1548.06,1549.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my dad told my mom, who told me, my mom's boyfriend who told me. I think that's actually how it goes. But regardless, I knew for a fact, even though it was through the grapevine, I knew for a fact I wasn't allowed to see him anymore. And I wasn't allowed to see my younger siblings anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1550.64,1568.76"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Who prohibited that, though? Was it your father that prohibited you from seeing each other, or was it your mother that said that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1569.36,1575.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It wasn't my mom. It was either my dad or my step mom. Okay. But it was like, well, I really liked my younger siblings and I just it wasn't fair because I was like, What? You know, I don't know what they told them about me. I still don't know what they know about me. We're not that close anymore. I'm not really close to anymore. My siblings too much. And I don't think any of my siblings other than my oldest sister know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1575.99,1604.91"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The real truth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1607.73,1608.33"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, my oldest sister on my mom's side. So not even. Actually, my my sister on my dad's side does. No, but she's, she's the older one and they specifically meant the younger ones I wasn't allowed to see because they didn't want me to. I don't know, like convert them to the gay agenda or something. Like literally that's like the rhetoric. The I think they were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1608.63,1632.81"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, they don't want to expose their children to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1633.17,1635.09"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. No, for for real. That's, that's what it was like. They don't want to they. I think I think she literally thought most I mean I think she literally thought it was contagious because it's like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1635.3,1645.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, she did think it was a disease.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1646.76,1647.66"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So, yeah, like, literally so whatever. Um, so I didn't see them for a while. I mean, any of them. It wasn't until I got engaged to a guy that I talked to them again because people were really pushing me to invite them to the wedding. And I was like, I didn't want to. But people kept telling me I would regret it if I did it. So I think so. I called him and I think that they were like, basically okay with talking to me again because I think they were under the impression that I was no longer I think they were under the impression that I was straight. Now, you know what I mean. Yeah. So I told them that we were like, Yeah. Okay. So, um. So, you know, now it's like, kind of cool to talk to me at this point in time. Uh, like, a couple of years later, it was like, maybe I was 20, so it had been, like, two years, maybe. Um, very tumultuous. Uh, yeah. Then I went over and visited them and had been like, years since I saw it, and it's crazy. So, um, but recently, like in October, I think it was I was talking to my dad again and it was kind of after like, uh, I actually separated from, from that guy I was engaged to and actually married to, but not legally, because I would have had to give up my health insurance. And I have like, medication that costs a lot of money if I don't have insurance, but I need that medication to live, basically. So I didn't get legally married, which was totally for the best because it ended up not working out. Um. So. But again, like I said, they so my dad and his wife got divorced and now we're kind of cool. Like, I don't know, again, I probably wouldn't tell him about the nonbinary thing, even though he seems like maybe he'd understand. And I don't know, maybe one day will. But it might be like a long time later. I don't know. But yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1648.17,1805.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1806.07,1806.07"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think everyone knows that I don't want kids, you know? So they just don't really know that it's because it's like it would be extremely dysphoric for me to do so. Um, yeah. So is there something I'm forgetting? There might be. Not really. A lot of people in my family know or if they know, like, I don't really talk. I try not to talk to them. I don't know. It's just, it's kind of like I don't think they need to know until, like, I get some sort of girlfriend or someone who's not. Says, Dude, dating. Like I've never dated anyone who wasn't a sister. So once that happens, I guess it's like, then they'll know cause I won't be exactly hiding it. But I won't. I don't feel the need to like, Hey, everyone, I'm queer because, like, who cares? Like, I don't know. That's kind of I guess that's my attitude. It's kind of like, I shouldn't should should I have to come out? I'm at the point where I'm like, You don't need to know anymore unless, like. Unless you figure it out, because I'm, like, explicitly dating someone that is Norris's dude. So, um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1807.21,1885.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that seems to be, uh, sort of a lesson that you seem to have learned for sure is the lesson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1886.7,1894.23"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1894.83,1894.83"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Don't have to tell everyone, no matter how close you are, only if you're comfortable or if you want to. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1894.89,1901.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I definitely, um. Maybe my brother knows my older brother on my mom's side. Maybe he knows. But he was kind of verbally abusive to me. He was like, he was calling me a dike when I was like ten years old, and I didn't even know what that was. I just knew it was bad. I was like, okay, what is that? And then when I learned, it was like, okay, well, you know, it's not. I had gotten messages in my whole life that being gay was bad. Yeah. You know, And so that obviously didn't help. And like, now I had short hair and I wasn't really I was really resenting being female because it was like my it was kind of strange, like my grandma and my mom and like other women in my family, kind of like they objectified me in a way, like they would talk about me like I wasn't there, but then, like, point out things about my body, like, oh, she's so pretty. And, and, and then like, she obviously is the pronoun that they use. Um, and it's like, it made me feel really uncomfortable. And they still do this, and I'm like, I listen, like, why can't you come with me on? Like, something that's not like some sort of physical aspect of me and like, Grandma, you're like, why not? Why are you creepy? Like. And then made me really resent, like, femininity. And it took me a long time to, like, kind of be feminine, if you want to call it that. I don't consider it feminine. I just think like whatever I do or wear say is like, not really gendered for me. It's just who I am. And me, even if people don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1902.48,1996.41"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's just your way of being gendered.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=1997.01,1998.75"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Exactly. Even if people don't understand or to see me as a certain way, which I guess I can't really help, unfortunately, until people know more about non-binary. But it's like so definitely haven't told my brother. Maybe he's figured it out. I don't really care, but I kind of hate him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2000.31,2015.67"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e So like, yeah, um hum. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2015.82,2021.07"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm pretty sure that's about it. But I mean, things are cool now. I found the center school, the LGBT Center, and, like, I'm totally okay with myself, not into the God thing anymore. Not in the not in the organized religious aspect. I mean. This. That is a whole other conversation. But like, I'm like, good with myself now, at least it took a long time because like, especially when you're a kid and you're exposed to all of these movies that are like always, like if they have gay people, like they're always sad or like trans people, Like the very first movie I was exposed to when I was a kid was for like with gay people in it was the movie Boys Don't Cry If you don't if you know what that movie is, is a true story about a trans man named Brandon Teena. And he started dating this this girl he, like, moved to a different town and, like, started over in high school and dated this girl. And she eventually found out that he was trans and she was cool with it. But then her brothers found out and, like, sexually assaulted him and, like, beat him up and stuff. And I don't know if he died, but like, you know, that's not good, right? That's horrible. Yeah. And then like the other movie that I saw when I was really young, like just when I'm figuring myself out is it was like this one Matthew Shepard movie. Do you know who that is? Matthew Shepard. Okay. He's he's this. He was this guy who.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2022.26,2117.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yes, yes, yes. He he was, uh, he was a gay male, but, uh, I believe he was killed and put on the wall. On a fence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2119.5,2129.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. He was, like, tied to a fence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2130.45,2131.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2132.58,2132.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And he was, like, beaten up on this fence and beaten and death. And so I thought, like, that's my future. Like, I'm going to be assaulted and murdered. Like, I'm just going to be. That's just what's going to happen to me. And that made me really sad. And I got really depressed and like that on top of me, like liking this girl. I was like, back in middle school. Yeah, back in middle school. But I couldn't have her because she, like, liked other people and like, I didn't want to like, I got extremely depressed and it just really sucks. But yeah, so basically I kind of want to help in whatever I do in my life. Like, I want to help out queer kids because it's like, I don't like I said it really, I don't want kids, but like I want the queer kids now to have like a different life than, like, a better life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2133.06,2184.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what you know, that it's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2185.5,2186.46"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I want them now, like, the resources and, like, not think that they have to go to a camp and not, like, think that, you know, like the Orlando shooting is like their destiny because that's like the modern day version of what I thought. You know, I'm sure there are kids out there who are like, Well, the biggest mass shooting in American history was at a gay club. And that could have been you know, that could be me later in life. I don't want anyone to feel like that. That sucks. So, yeah, hopefully whatever I do, I can at least make life better for like the next generation of, like, baby queers. But yeah, that's like basically, Oh, man, this was a this is a while. This is a long interview. Um, that's. Yeah, that's basically it. If you have any questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2186.91,2232.66"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I believe that's good. Cool. Okay. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2234.01,2237.64"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836#t=2238.48,2239.11"}]},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56641/file/130836/transcript/49327/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/327/original/open-uri20230830-932135-qhkztw?1693411930","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/327/original/open-uri20230830-932135-qhkztw?1693411930"}]}]}]}