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And avoid avoiding them as much as you can. I've had a lot of bad experience with police, especially when I grew up in a very urban area. I don't know if I'm allowed to say where I grew up, but I. I grew up in an urban area in the housing projects, and police were everywhere. I grew up in a police state, so. I have had a lot of interactions with police. Oh, so I grew up in New York City and that is an extremely big police state. I don't think I really was aware of it. To me, I thought that was like normal. But then as I got older, I learned. But that's really what a police state is, where police are everywhere and they're. In certain communities and not in others. I grew up with like police towers. I don't know if you know what that is, but that's like they have these little trucks and it's like like a tower at the top and then they bring them. They're portable. And so they would bring them into my neighborhood in like a search light. And then there would be cops sitting on the top of this tower in the neighborhood, like the housing complex that I lived in with this big searchlight. And it'd be there for days. So that's that's basically like. A lot of my experience with police is like seeing them in those police towers. Whereas like living here in San Diego, like, I've never seen one of those. So it's very different. The way the interaction with police is different. But my first interaction with police violence was really when I was in elementary school. We took like most kids, we took the public bus to school. And it was me, my younger sister. At the time. And then my sister, who was a year or two years old, it. When me and. We were approaching our stop. So the way it works is like the bus was coming down a hill and it was making a right hand turn to go down to the street where I'd get off at the bus stop. And right at that corner, the police were shooting at people across the street and literally they were shooting and the bullets were flying through our bus like it flew through the windows of our bus. And so I remember the the bus driver was like, everybody, like duck, everybody get down and duck. So we just like all threw ourselves on the floor. And like at the time the seats had like space underneath. So we like, crunched under the seats and I was like horrified. And I was in elementary school, so I was probably in like third or fourth grade when this happened and. Then the bus driver I remember because you could see him from where I was sitting, I could see him and he like he was driving the bus with his head stuck down and the pipe turns, he makes the turn and then he, like, stops the bus and he tells us all to get off. And and so the police had stopped shooting at that point, but they were shooting at us. And I remember because I looked at who it was when I got off the bus, it was a group of black guys and the police were shooting at them from across the street and had no regard for whoever was standing there. Our bus driving through nothing. They just shot at them and they hit our bus. And then the bus driver told everybody to get off. And we my aunt lived like two blocks from that bus stop. And we ran to my aunt's house. I remember we were so scared and we didn't know what else to do. And my sister was only two years older than me, so she was like in fifth or sixth grade. And we ran there and we banged on her door and we told her what happened. And she didn't let us leave. She called my father and at that time school got out at around 3:00 and my dad didn't get out of work until five. So she called my father and she said, You need to come home right now. So my dad left work and we weren't allowed to leave until my dad got there and picked us up and then walked us home. That was my first encounter, real encounter with like police violence and terror. And I remember being horrified. And after that, I don't really remember having, like, hostility towards police because I was so young. I didn't really understand. But. I always saw like very violent and aggressive interactions between people and police in my neighborhood. And it was not something that yeah, they were not people that like you would want to talk to or you would want to like, engage with or you felt safe around because they were it was always some kind of like violent interaction. It was never like a calm, peaceful. Way about them. And I never. And then after that. I didn't really have to doing things to other people, but me personally, I didn't have much interaction with them after that. But when they would be like looking for someone in my building, they would stop me and be like, Ma'am, do you know this person? I'd be like, Now, even if I might have, because I'm like, No, I don't talk to you. You just I'm just going to keep going about my business. And then. Yeah. So that's that's pretty much my, my experience with Phillys. I think one other time I went ice skating in a different neighborhood in a really nice neighborhood, Rockefeller Center, which is like, has a famous ice skating rink and. I had tights on. We were going to go skating and I had tights underneath my pants and I really wanted socks because you need like thicker socks to wear with skates. And I was like, Oh, I'm going to have to go buy some like, socks. And I was looking for like a Duane Reade or Cbz or something because they sell like, socks there and. I was in high school young, and I thought, Oh, this cop, it was like a woman and her partner. And they were standing there. They were always standing somewhere. So I was like, Oh, they might know where it is. Like, Let me ask for directions. And she was so rude. I just I was just like, I'm asking for direction. You could say no, like, if you don't know where things are. She was so rude and she tells me she's like, I don't know where that is. And I was like, Oh, okay. And then she was like, I know where the directions to Spanish Harlem. And I remember she was white with red hair. And I was like, Oh. What does that mean? Are you? It kind of felt like she was trying to tell me, like, that's where I belong, right? Spanish Harlem, which is not anywhere near Rockefeller Center. And I just looked at her and I remember the person I was with was about to say something, and I was like, it's not even worth it. Let's just go. And then we left. And then we were like, roaming around looking. And this was a time before, like, phones really weren't a thing. People didn't have phones or anything, cell phones. So I we were just, like, roaming around until we found something and then we went skating. But that was the only other time that I was like. This cop. These people are just aholes, like. It's just like it doesn't matter what neighborhood they're in, it doesn't matter anywhere. It's just this is the kind of people they are. So that I have never had. I need or want to call cops. I will say it's. It feels slightly different now that I've moved out of a very urban place. I have very little interaction with police here. I never see them. So I. I know that it's probably the same behavior, and they're probably also in neighborhoods that I no longer live in. So maybe that's why. But it definitely they they're definitely not people that I would. Be the first people to contact if I had. I was going through a problem. I wouldn't even ask them for directions. That's how rude, disrespectful they are that I'm like, I wouldn't even ask you for directions anymore. Like, you're clearly not a help. So that's that's basically it. That's, that's my experience with police and that's what I think of when I think of them. I think of those memories of like they're they're not good or pleasant.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=15.71,523.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Thank you for for sharing that. I just. I know you mentioned that your first encounter with violence and associating like police with that was when you were a child. And I must have a question like after that experience, did you? Because I know that you you after that, you wouldn't really interact that much with them. But. What were your your feelings as you were growing up and like, did you have like PTSD? Was that trauma constant there? And that's why you maybe that encounter that many police after because you were actively avoiding them? Or how did that psychologically make you made you feel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=526.62,566.49"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I think like I think that might have been like normal for me because I also remember another incident. I was in my room and I lived on the fifth floor. And so, like I could see down directly from my window down to the street. And again, another shooting incident between police. They were chasing someone and then they started shooting. And I looked out my window and I saw the police with her gun out and she was like crouching down on the floor. I couldn't really see the person she was shooting at. But like, those things were normal. Like, I was just like a normal interaction. So I don't really know if I understood it back then as, like, trauma or like, I'm I'm sure it's I mean, it is the reason why I don't trust them now. But at the time I didn't think anything because those were kind of like normal interactions. That's how I saw them. They were always like shooting people, beating people up, arresting people. Like it was never like. Like movies where they're like helping people and like that. But that's not the that's never how I saw them. So I don't think that at the time I really thought about it. Those interactions felt normal to me. They felt like like I never really spoke to people about it, but I didn't think that they were like. Like not ordinary. That was like an ordinary thing. Now, when I tell people about it and this, they they hear the shock on their face or I see the shock or like they're like, What? Oh, my God. And I'm like, Oh, I guess that's not normal. That's not how people grow up with that kind of experience. But at the time, it felt like when I was experiencing, I felt traumatizing. Like I said, we were scared to leave the house and stuff, but the next day I went to school like. I just went to school the next day and took the same bus. The same. The one on four bus took that same bus every day to school. So, yeah. I don't know. I don't know. I don't really know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=568.02,696.19"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Youknow, and I can't even imagine how that feels. But I also want to circle back to something. Is that your experience at the Rockefeller ice skating rink? You said the police threw that leg of Spanish Harlem. Is that way in. The police was a white officer. Did you ever felt that police were rationalizing people in your neighborhood or did you see maybe when you would go to. Not so brown or black communities in New York City. Do you feel that the police were different or how would you describe like the moving around the city? Like, how would you describe that experience with regarding police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=699.55,747.15"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So that's. Yes, so. I always saw them. I grew up in a predominantly black neighborhood. They were always there. The interactions were like how I described. But when I went to, I went to school in a predominantly white neighborhood. I, I saw police, but they, they would be like in a car driving through or something. They would never have like police towers or they were never like, around as much. So yeah, they definitely it was definitely racialized. Like they they heavily patrolled black and brown communities. They were more prevalent, They were more of a presence. I mean, if you put up a tower, then you're definitely trying to be a presence there versus like, the neighborhood where I went to school. High school like that wasn't a thing. I will say, though, after 911, there was police everywhere like. I when I went to like Rockefeller skating as a kid, I don't remember seeing a lot of police. But then when I went later in life I like there's police in all. Even the Rockefeller Center is a predominantly wealthy, affluent white neighborhood. And so there's police all over it now. Like they're just there. They're like a huge presence because I guess 911, the neighborhood that got attacked is a predominantly affluent white neighborhood, Wall Street kind of type neighborhood. So now they're they're more you know, they're more present in those places because it's like a post-9-11 situation. So. I can't really say like. They are there now, but I don't know if it. If they like it there it is the racialize thing, but it's like in a different way because like now they are in white neighborhoods, in rich, rich, white neighborhoods. But that's, you know, and the idea that it's for protection of those neighborhoods or whatever. But but that wasn't the case before that like when I went to different places, I didn't see them as much. But now you see them. And in even in some places you see like National Guard or whatever, you know, the big guns and everything. So I definitely noticed a change. But they were always present in black and brown neighborhoods, like always. And that wasn't the case before. That wasn't the case for like white neighborhoods before. But now they probably are more of a presence. I haven't lived there in a long time, so I don't know. But I imagine that it's still very similar because I definitely noticed it after 911 that more police were present in white, affluent neighborhoods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=748.5,911.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow. That's. I can't imagine how the increase of police and police activity in pretty much all over the city now is very prevalent. But once we go back to the police force, I know that you mentioned that they're rotating and they move around the city, but could you maybe explain a little bit more exactly what the purpose of the police powers are and how exactly they they function in those neighborhoods that you said that predominantly, like if they were in there was a police tower. There were for a specific reason. Could you elaborate a little bit more on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=916.08,953.36"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So it's like a crane. It's like, I don't know, like when people work on like pull lines, if you see like those cranes with the little buckets at the top, it kind of looks like that, says NYPD. And then it has like a big search light on the top. I they would always say that it was because of like gang activity or like there was a heightened gang activity happening because I grew up in a housing project. So they would always say things like that or there was an increase in violence and so therefore they would bring out those towers. Do I know whether that's true or not? I don't know. I don't know. I spent my entire life in the projects. And not to say that there weren't moments that I didn't feel unsafe, but that's anywhere in the city that that I felt like that didn't have to necessarily be my neighborhood. And I never really had, like, anything bad happen to me in my neighborhood. So, like, I don't know if that's true, you know, like, I know that that's usually what they said, Like, if it was like, more. Gang activity. That's why they would put those towers out. But whether it was true or not, I don't know. And it could have been I know there were gangs and there were people who sold drugs and stuff, but. I mean. It's a big city, right? That could be happening almost anywhere, so. Yeah. So that's that's usually what the excuse was. I don't know if it was true or not. So, yeah. I didn't like at the time. It didn't feel more dangerous to a person who live there, if that makes sense. So like, I didn't notice, like, something more dangerous happening. That it would warrant police powers, but. That's usually what they said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=955.04,1068.36"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Understood. Well, thank you. So going back to you, mentioning that the police, you use the word says danger is violent, not someone you wouldn't entirely trust. What was the situation in case you ever needed or, you know, you had an emergency. You you had to, you know, call the police. What do you call the police? Who do you feel comfortable calling in events like, you know, that needed some some. Help or or you wouldn't just call them because you were in that mindset.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1071.3,1113.96"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's an interesting question because I've never really called like. I can't even think of a time. I think. I remember one time, like we had an incident outside and like, my sister was like getting into a fight or something and or like somebody was attacking her. And I went upstairs and I got my dad, like and then I remember my uncle was there and my dad and uncle came running. Like that was the people I called like it wasn't. And they knew the whole neighborhood. Like, that's, that's why I called. Like I went and got my dad. Like, I didn't call the police, but, um. So me, I've never I've never really called them. I mean, I, we did have like a car accident kind of situation, and then we did cause it to report it, but. That's it. Like, I don't. And with. As I get older and more knowledgeable about what's happening, I'm very cautious to call them even more so, especially with what's happening. I mean, I know, I know that it's always been happening, but like, if I could avoid it, I would. I don't know how the situation's going to end up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1116.39,1195.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you have any family members or friends who in New York City joined the police academy? And you know that that brought up any emotions or anything towards like your experiences with the police previously?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1198.68,1214.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I have a cousin who was in the police force for a little while. He was in the military. Then he went into police, then he went back to the military doing some something for them. I don't know what, but. Yeah, but I like. I wasn't really close with him. He's like a person. I mean, the person that, you know, I have respect for him. I. I don't mind him, but I. I do. I mean, he's pro-police, so I do have to take issue with that. Yeah. And my parents have had friends in the police and stuff like that. So like, yeah, I know people who have been in it. I know, but we're not really close, so it's not somebody I would call or like text or message like. No, and we would probably have an argument on Facebook about it. So like, there's that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1216.44,1272.36"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And another question is like, do you have any other close friends or close family members that had other negative experiences with the police that maybe you didn't experience, but they told you about their experiences with the police overall? Oh, police brutality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1275.5,1292.08"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So like I said, I grew up in a predominately black neighborhood, and most of my friends were black people that I went to college with. Like most of my friends are black. So yeah, I have a friend who he's a black male. He his father used to be a judge, which is interesting because his father was a judge. He was like his like well known. His father was like a long time judge, well-known, well-respected. And even his son wasn't protected from like racial profiling. And I remember he told me today he was going to the store. So, like he was like leaving his apartment and the store, the corner store the way is like the way they guys work is like they're like right next door to you in New York. They're like, so close. So he's like, I went downstairs with, like a best basketball shorts. My my, my house slippers, like a tank top. I think it was the summer. And he just grab some, like, money to go buy something at the store. You know, he didn't bring his wallet with an I.D. or anything. And sure enough, when he got out of the store, got stopped and they're harassing him for like, where do you live? What's your name? Who are you? Where's your ID? Why you don't have it and all this stuff. And he was just like, I literally came down to the store for like 2 seconds. I think he was getting something to drink. And he kept telling them and telling him they were trying to, like, get him to go in the car to, like, take him down to the precinct and where he lives was. It's still a predominantly black neighborhood. But there was also like it was it's kind of mixed, like some people was like middle class live there, some people was white, lived there, and his building happened to be like one of the nicer buildings in that neighborhood. And so it had like a doorman and it had like, so this wasn't like an affluent neighborhood, but it's like a middle class kind of place. And when his neighbor came down, who was white was like, Hey, Pat, what's up? Like, what's happening? And then once they saw that he knew someone and probably it was white who can sort of vouch for him, they let him go. And that was just one of like tons of times he got stopped. So, yeah, I mean, we all have experienced stories with police, like that's just like especially growing up in urban like really urban parts of New York City. Like, I want to say urban, I mean, inner city like that's what they call the black neighborhoods like inner city. So, yeah, but I remember and I just like, that's horrifying. Like, what if he got into that car? You know, what would they have done to him? Right? He didn't even have a phone. He didn't have a wallet. He didn't have anything. It wasn't even dressed properly. Like it's just like all of these thing that I'm like, you avoided all these it. But this is like a guy whose father was a judge. Won all these, though. His father won all these awards. Well respected. And it's just like there meant nothing. Until this white man came and said, like, what's going on? I know him. He lives here. Baltimore. So. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1293.64,1482.56"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you for for sharing your stories. And I appreciate this a lot. Thank you. One. Could you please describe your first incident or experience when the N-word was used to harm a black person?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1482.95,1504.37"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So my first experience happened in high school. I'm from New York City. I went to like a very socially justice oriented high school, and we went on a trip. We went on like a freedom fighters trip, which basically meant like we went on a trip down to the south and we went to all the sort of the. States and kind of cities where, like the civil rights movement was really taking place, sort of like what Freedom Bus Riders did. And my first incident, we were in Mississippi. And so, like. Just to give some more context in New York City. A white person. And at least from my is not something that they would say to black people in the street, that's not you. You would have to read very carefully and lightly to say that out in the street in New York City, especially to a black person in the street, because you're going to suffer the consequences of whatever, whoever you're talking to. So when I went so that that's not something that I saw a lot growing up. Like I never I can't even think of one incident when I saw a white person like publicly say that to someone. So when I went down to Mississippi, we when we were in a store, like a store called Piggly Wiggly, which is kind of like a Wal-Mart, I guess. I don't know. And I went inside and I went and I was like shopping around. And I got some things and I went along and I put myself on the conveyor belt. And there was an old man with his grandson standing in front of me. And then in front of him there was another person. And then the line was kind of building and there was one cashier and she was black. She was a young white girl. And at this time, I was about 16 when this happened. And I remember the line, it was like taken kind of long. And I remember the old man turned around to his grandson, who I'm standing behind. I was like, this N-word with the e R at the end. This N-word is taking so long or taking her sweet time. And I remember being shocked because I was like the kid, just like thinking in my head, like, did he just say that? And I'm like, looking around and no one seems bothered or shocked by this. And I looked at her because I was I was horrified. And I looked at her as she looked at me. And I'm assuming it's because I was looking around, like, horrified. I should just put her head down. And she kept scanning the items. And I didn't even pay. I just, like, dropped everything. And I went outside and I told the man who was leading the trip what happened? And he gets on the the bus. It has one of those, I don't know, speaker phone things. And he tells everybody to just stop what they're doing. Come back. Don't pay for anything if they've already paid. They haven't paid. Just come back and get back on the bus. And then we had a whole conference because this was like a civil rights strip. Right. This is like a treble. We're learning about the civil rights. We're meeting different leaders from the civil rights movement. We're reading books about it like we're doing active work. And so he won. He was like, I feel unsafe being here with like, so we're all going to get on the bus. And mind you, I was on this trip with classmates who many were either Latinos or were black, so we were of color like there was no white kids on this trip. And so we get on the bus and then we have like a whole conversation about the uses that were for, you know, all these things. But I just that was a real time that I was like, I was horrified. I was scared. I was like, first of all, I had never been to Mississippi before or the South, really. And I remember just feeling really bad for her. And I remember being like, she just took it. She just she just. I knew she felt bad because she kind of put her head down and she like but she just kept going about her day. And I was just like and like, that's like something I wasn't used to because like in New York, if you use that word in the public, you better be ready. Like there's going to be somebody going to pop off on you. The person you're telling it to might tell you something like something's going to go down and so you wouldn't feel so safe and comfortable using that, just like throwing it around. So that was the first time I ever heard it used in a way that was like shocking and harmful and like. Really discussing and disturbing. And he was like an old man. I remember he had a beard, a long gray beard. His grandson was little. He was like maybe eight. And it was just they just use that word, whatever. And then, like on that trip, there was like Confederate flags everywhere. Like, this was like. Scary. Like we were on that trip and like, I never felt in danger because I always, like, we were always safe. But like, there were incidences where, like, you see the Confederate flag everywhere and you see all these people that are just like. Just what it was. I wasn't used to it, so I definitely felt scared when I heard it. And I was glad that I just I just left. I was like, I'm leaving. I don't feel comfortable with what's happening right now. And then I remember feeling really bad for the girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1506.68,1836.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you remember? I don't. I know this must have been a while back, but do you remember how your the class leader or I know you mentioned you were meeting different people from from the civil rights movement. How was the conversation about in the bus when you got to the bus and like the person was, you know. Gathering everyone and everything. We remember how that conversation went about, then you know how that went.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1842.56,1869.65"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So do I remember the exact conversation? No, I do remember him being like that. That's not appropriate in a safe word. But the conversation went deeper because I think the next day, the next civil rights leader we spoke to always had a problem with that word, even with. So like I said, I grew up in the projects where in a black neighborhood where people always use that word with the ending as a like a term of camaraderie or something. And I remember the civil rights leader. We had a discussion about it because people on that trip use that word, you know, a whole discussion about like the harm from that word. And even though it means something different to you. To them as because they're much older than us at that point. To them, hearing that word is triggering. Right. These are people who heard it all the time, you know, growing up in the South, being, you know, hosed in by police being trampled on like to them. Whether you transform the word or not, it was triggering and it was harmful. And they were encouraging us not to use that word. And I remember some people pushing back on that like like because they were using it and they you know, and the other way with the a form. And so they were pushing back and it was like a really enriching discussion because I was like thinking, like, how do I feel about that? Right? Like. I'm not a black person. Right. Is it appropriate for me to say and I and I with the ending, I used to say it like in high school because or with my friends and my neighborhood, because that's like the way we spoke. That's the way people spoke. I was a little more cautious with like how I used it. And it always kind of felt weird. And then I stopped like I was like, This is not a word I feel comfortable using and I should be. And I definitely would never use it with the air or anything. And I remember the conversation. I would just remember them being like, this is triggering. This is a problem. We don't like any form of it. And you should be more cautious and you should think more critically about when and how and why you use that word. And I had to respect that, because these are these are people who lived a different experience than I did and lived a very traumatic, traumatizing history. I mean, one of the women we met, she was like 96 at the time. Her sister was literally trampled to death by horses from the police horses in one of the the marches that they went on. And I was just like, What? Who am I to say that she you know, like she's telling not to use the damn word. Don't use that word like, I don't know. So yeah, but it did go into a bigger discussion. But the immediate reaction was like, Let's get out of here. This is not a safe space for us, which I thought was appropriate because I didn't feel safe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=1870.79,2043.54"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And. I know you mentioned that you went to. Several other cities and states are. On in the South. Did you hear or experiences anywhere else besides Mississippi, or was this just like the first of many encounters of the word being thrown by other?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2047.55,2067.52"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That was the first and only time I remember it being used. I will say there weren't a lot of opportunities for us to be in spaces where there was just like people casually, like people from the community were just casually doing things that that make sense. So that was our first time. Like we were like we made a stop to, like, fill up on supplies. So if people needed like extra deodorant or toothpaste, so like, go into the store and get it. Most of the trip was like we went to specific places, like we went to like the Voting Rights Museum or we went to a specific community. Like, it was very like a controlled environment. I want to say like we went to a specific place and did a specific thing, and so we didn't have as much interaction with like local people. So. I wonder if we'd had more of that. Would I have seen more? You know, and then maybe after that they were like, Maybe we ain't going to let them go to the store. Like, I don't know, Maybe that's what the adults did, right? Like, maybe they were like, you know what? We're going to be more careful with, like, how much we let them interact with the community. So I don't know. I don't know if that was intentional or not, but. Most of the other people that we met with were black people. So. In a very specific setting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2067.94,2155.34"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Thank you. And I just want to circle back to to the part where you said that you used to say that and word of wisdom A, just because that's where you grew up and that's the, the, you know, the culture in it, but. And you mentioned that you stopped using it after, but was this. Do you think this was influenced because of the trip and that kind of like left an image on you or you didn't like before the trip? And the trip just solidified why you stopped using the word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2159.7,2192.79"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I. I think the latter. So I think I always when I was younger and I used to say I wouldn't say it like all the time either. It's not something like I just like every other word was that. But you know, when people would just be like, saying it. But I kind of always felt in the maximum amount like this kind of feels weird because I'm like, I'm Puerto Rican and I and I grew up in a certain neighborhood, but like, I didn't really understand it like it was, but something internally felt kind of off about using it. So I was I was a little more careful. But then I was like, you know what? I just don't feel right using it. I was like, I'm not black. I'm not. Yeah, I was like, I'm not black. I don't even know if I'm like, It's okay for me to use it. So I stopped.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2194.98,2243.71"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Got it. And another question is like I know you mentioned that your your high school was a social justice driven institute and that you took this trip down to the south. But was there something that you had to apply to? Was it something that you were selected for, or how did they gather this group of students to go to the south and to visit this historic cities?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2247.27,2271.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e So we were in a econ class and my teacher was really close with the program and they were like, We're putting this trip together. They had been doing it for years. Like, this is this is an outside organization, not not a part of my school. But the man knew my new teacher. And she basically said one day and questions like, listen, there's this trip, the tap opening. I think they came in and did like an info session or something. And then she was like, For those of you who are interested, like, you know, you should sign up. We could, you know, And then I think I was interested. I was like, Yeah, this seems like a great opportunity. So people, people had to like, want to sign up to do it. And there was a good number of us from my school who did it. It was us. And then this other school in Brooklyn that participated in that trip. But they do this trip all the time, so I'm assuming that they just go to different schools. But yeah, it wasn't like we had to be selected or anything. It was like if you were interested in doing it. And then we signed up and then we went and it was paid for. It was that organization like basically donors give money to fund that organization and fund those trips. And so part of the requirement was like you had to write thank you letters to the donors who. Funded your trip and it was like a it was like a two week bus trip, going to like a bunch of different states. So that pretty expensive trip. And no one in my high school could have afforded that. So. It was a great opportunity. I saw it as a great opportunity. So I signed up and I did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2273.52,2373.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And have you ever heard the the rocketry word being used against another black person after that incident or in Mississippi? Or was that like your your let's say your only experience directly here in that word is that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2377.55,2394.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I want to say personally, that was my only time because I went back to New York City and like I said, like people wouldn't use that word publicly, like what they do at home. It was different, but publicly I didn't have any other interactions. I never witnessed anything else like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2396.85,2416.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, thank you so much for your time and sharing your expenses with this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2419.76,2423.33"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695#t=2425.22,2425.37"}]},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56811/file/207695/transcript/49661/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/661/original/open-uri20230914-2017643-ufk7jx?1694717896","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/661/original/open-uri20230914-2017643-ufk7jx?1694717896"}]}]}]}