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Okay. So then the other narrative that will do is then the sort of the the experience, I guess. Right. Of of coming out. Right. And in this one, I think the best way to go about it is maybe if you just sort of tell me about that process or the experience of it and then if I can ask a few questions to help you elaborate, then we'll do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=8.08,31.66"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Yeah. So I think well, I was in eighth grade when I don't think myself I didn't realize that I was interested in any. I thought I was interested in boys my whole life. And then my best friend at the time told me that she was lesbian. And I was like, okay, that's great. I don't really care. Doesn't make a difference. But, I mean, we had been inseparable, pretty much all of middle school, and it didn't really change anything. But towards the end of my eighth grade year, when we were both deciding which high schools to go to, it was becoming very apparent to me at that time that I didn't want to be away from her at all. And it wasn't until we graduated, graduated from eighth grade that I finally decided to tell her I was like, I don't know what I'm feeling, but it's different from how I want to interact with all my other close friends. Like, I want to be around you pretty much all the time. And she at that point was like, It's I have the same feeling. But she knew that she was interested in girls. So it was very apparent to her that, yeah, like, I'm interested. I'm romantically interested in you. It was not apparent to me still, at that point, I think I was still very, very I was very confused. And I my parents had decided to send me to Catholic school, so I was not excited to think about me going to Catholic school, having a girlfriend. So I didn't want to think about it and I didn't acknowledge it at all. And I think I pretty much denied it for an entire summer. And then at the beginning of my freshman year in high school, my best friend Julia at the time to say that she was going to a big public school also, she was fired with decided at the point she was that she wanted us to be in a relationship but open enough that she could tell people, but that I didn't have to tell people at my high school because I didn't want to tell people Catholic school. And so we started dating, but I didn't tell my parents at all. I told a few of my close friends. I didn't tell my sister. She told all her friends, told her parents, told her sister. Everyone knew on her side and nobody knew essentially on my side. And halfway through my freshman year, my parents sat me down and told me that they knew Julia and I were dating. Didn't ask whether or not we were dating. It was essentially we know you guys are girlfriend and girlfriend and we're fine with that, but you need to admit it. And I didn't. At that point, I was like, Well, I can't tell if I'm in trouble for this or not, but yeah, we are. So that was how my parents that's how I came out to my parents, I guess. But because I went to Catholic school, I started to tell a lot of people. So Julie and I dated for two years and I still was pretty much completely in the closet at school. Okay. And I don't. And then my junior year in high school, she actually transferred to my high school because she couldn't handle the big public school and being a very out of the closet lesbian, she was very keen on having me that way, too. And because I was already like, very ingrained in my school, I was very involved in everything. I played a varsity sport all four years. I was not not willing to do that, not willing to be the first, pretty much the first openly gay couple at my school. So it eventually didn't work out between the two of us just because we were in two very, very different places. But my senior year in high school is when I finally decided I was like, I don't care if I go to Catholic school. I don't care if it makes people uncomfortable. I don't care if people don't want to know about it. I started dating a girl who had just graduated from my high school and. I was very open about it, and I'd say my senior year in high school was when I like finally came out and was like, Yes, I'm dating a girl and everyone can know about it. Mhm. But it took essentially four years for that to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=32.11,318.8"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Really. How did you maintain that separation when she went to another school. I mean as far as you said, her side and then your side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=319.22,326.3"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. So it was difficult. It was difficult because we went to different schools, but she actually lived 5 minutes from my school even though she went to a different high school. And so I was over there all the time between playing soccer and being involved with my high school, though, there wasn't I didn't have much other time, especially as a freshman and a sophomore. My I didn't have that much freedom either as a teenager. So I think the fact that my I think the fact that I the only freedom I had I spent at her house or doing stuff with her finally just kind of enlightened my parents that like I was not that she was not just my best friend anymore. And so that kind of broke the separation of like her life and my life. I'd say my parents broke that separation because other than that, I was I was more comfortable being, like, being very secretive about it and not having really not having her involved. And that whole part of my life, I didn't never brought her on campus, didn't bring her to school. That's it. Just I was too, too uncomfortable at that point to, like, open that part of my world up at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=326.63,410.48"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. How how do you how do you think if if at all the experience of instead of sort of coming out to your parents or parents outing you did that, did that does did that mean anything or does it mean anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=410.81,426.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It did at the time. Now I'm okay with it. Um, I think because I don't know how long I kind of I don't know how long I would have gone trying to hide it from them. I knew, I mean, thinking back on it, my parents would have been okay with it no matter how I told them. When I told them what I told them. My parents are very, very open, very liberal. So it wouldn't I don't think I was I don't think I was scared of their reaction at all. I think I was just scared of accepting it to anybody else except for myself and my girlfriend. But I don't think and when we talk about it now, they don't think that they handled it well either. I don't think they handled it well at all. But I think in the in the time and in the circumstances we had, I think that that was kind of the only way it would have happened at that point. Um, but yeah, I mean, I would have handled it differently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=426.35,485.75"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But there's no like prescription though, for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=486.62,488.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No, not at all. Yeah. Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=488.81,490.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So then if you don't mind me asking in your, in your personal life currently, do you feel like the process is changing. Do you sort of out yourself to other people or do people continue to out you or how or how does that work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=492.98,509.42"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I'm still kind of in the same pattern. My girlfriend goes to University of San Diego right now, and I would say about 90% of my hall mates don't even know I have a girlfriend. My roommate knows. And I mean the close people I hang out with now. But no, I don't even think I told I don't know. I didn't even tell my two best friends my roommate told them. So I think it's still the same kind of pattern where it's information that is shared with other people, not from me. And it wasn't. Now it's like not a big if other people find out, I'm never like, Oh no, I don't want them to know they're certain people. Like it's not accepted in my birth family at all. So there are definitely people on that side of my family that I don't tell or that I we don't talk about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=509.81,564.83"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, with your with your birth mother. Your birth father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=565.16,566.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e My birth mother, I'm not even sure if my my birth father and I have very little contact now. He knows about my life probably from social media, but not much. But no, my birth mom knows and it is not talked about at all and outside my family. But yeah, it's it's not something I openly share or start off with when I mean people definitely. Um, and actually I haven't brought my girlfriend up here at all. I've gotten on a visit San Diego multiple times, but haven't had it up here yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=567.17,600.08"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you, do you feel is it is it safer that way, I mean, for other people? To do that work for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=600.66,607.21"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think sometimes, yeah, it is safer because then I don't have to have that kind of conversation that I don't have to try to gauge people's reaction or how or how people might react. I don't have to try to think of that hard part, but I think it's a little bit more difficult because then I get the reaction sometimes of like, Oh, then why didn't you say anything? Um, which is. Not the best reaction to have, but I think it's almost easier than having the reaction like, oh, you have a girlfriend and being like almost physically shrunk away from or something or having a bad reaction to it in any way. So yeah, some people are doing the dirty work for me. Right. Mhm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=607.51,652.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Which is a weird way to put it. But Yeah. Do you do, do you feel like the spirit that experience in middle school and then with your parents has sort of influenced your politics. I mean you're, you're sort of explicit politics in any way as it made you sort of more attuned to politics or more politically active or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=653.01,676.77"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it's mainly, I'd say both. I think it's made me both more more inclined to be involved in politics and not on I'd say more specifically in my school or in like my direct environment, not necessarily so much more in like my community or like in on a bigger scale. At least not right now. But I think it also definitely made my perspective on how LGB the how the LGBT community is looked at in like the United States and the world really. But in the United States right now and all the different events that happen and all the different politics around it, I think it's definitely made me more I think I'm much more attuned to it because. Probably because of kind of my parents initial initial reaction and how they dealt with it. I think if I had been more forthcoming with it, I think I, I don't know how. I think because of the way I experienced it, I don't want other people to have to experience even that level of discomfort and anywhere after that. So to be able to be more involved in it makes me feel like someone else won't have to go through this, or someone else might have a better experience because I can help them or I'm involved in some way. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=677.46,771.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel like it would have been it would be different for you that at that time, at your same age, for example, do you think that youth, you know, in eighth grade. Right. Do you think that other students at your school sort of had to think of similar things like that, or do you think they were sort of I mean, or is Oh, I guess what I'm asking is, do you think that at that age, being in the eighth grade, that that made you think about yourself as a as a political being? Right. In a way that other folks were free to to sort of avoid, right? Mm hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=772.83,812.98"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think I'd say in some ways it did. I went to a school that was it was a very small private school. Um, but it was in its own kind of little bubble. And it was they said they were like, very, very liberal, very open with everything. We had a few openly gay teachers, but it was a bubble. And everything that was said in school kind of stayed in school. Like the feeling of the openness and inclusiveness of the community was very exclusive to the school. So I think in terms of my school, I think I felt very comfortable and that other people were not struggling to deal with it. So I didn't feel like I had to be that person to take a stand and make my point or make my relationship very public. But I think it was as soon as I stepped out of school, I had the decision of Do I want to stand up and be this person or do I just want to continue to be comfortable in my box that I'm in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=813.51,880.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. And then the last question, just to sort of follow up on on on some of that would be, um, do you feel like there is sort of a racial component there? Is it is it I mean, I'm not sure what your social networks are like or who you hang out with in those kind of things. But do you feel like coming out in one community right, is different than coming out in another community? If that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=880.44,904.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Makes sense. Yeah, I definitely do think there's a difference and this kind of goes back to being mixed. I think that there's more of a negative stigma around it in the black community. And so that's something that I that it's kind of always in the back of my mind when I'm with my African-American friends or if I'm in like I'm not part of ESP here on campus or the Black Student Union, but I've gone to different events, I've been involved and stuff, and it's never, never been something I've wanted to bring up. Um, not because I don't think people would react negatively. I've had reactions like negative reactions, and I think that those like experiences still kind of influence the way I interact with people now. But I think I've definitely had more negative experiences and I guess just more experiences I don't want to have again in the African-American community than I have on like my white side. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=904.53,972.19"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. All right. Well, thank you. I appreciate you taking the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=973.26,976.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=976.98,977.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=978.81,978.93"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This is very cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851#t=980.4,981.52"}]},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56656/file/130851/transcript/44933/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/044/933/original/open-uri20230706-1660580-kqn86n?1688667667","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/044/933/original/open-uri20230706-1660580-kqn86n?1688667667"}]}]}]}