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I guess so. So if you feel that you haven't had any kind of encounters with police brutality, then that's that's fine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1.2,7.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my first experience is, I mean, so I don't know. This may cross me on the line of brutality. I guess when I hear brutality, I kind of go also go into like the abuse of authority. You know, so my first encounter is I'm from back east, so I'm jaywalking to me was a brand new word. You know, so I crossed the street in. I was like, maybe. Three feet outside of a crosswalk. So I'm walking across the street in in where I'm from back east. If you make it across the street, you could I mean, you could walk in front of police. And if if your guy hit you, maybe you say, you know. So I was walking across the street in a bicycle shop, you know, came up to me and like, hey, you just jaywalk. So, you know, I asked him what jaywalking was, and he explained to me and he wrote me a ticket which led to a bench board. And right there, I, I looked at it cause it was no cars coming across the street, and I was only a few feet outside of crosswalk. So I didn't understand his justification of giving me the ticket because, okay, the way he explained it, walking in the middle of the street in these cars come in. It was no cars. So you're using your authority to write me a ticket and you can see is no cars coming. So I took the ticket, you know, and I mean, it switched over to a bench. One was later at Adler. And that's kind of how they get you caught up in the system. So, you know, that led to other experience where I. As is same incident. I, um. I mean, not the same incident, but a similar incident where I was sitting at a bus stop and I scratch my back in. All I seen was cars pull up drawing, you know, pistols or shadows and accusing me of having a concealed weapon because they heard somebody, I guess, was in the neighborhood or whatever. But I guess when people say brutality, they might automatically go to, you know, oh, the cop harassed me. He beat me down, he slammed me down or whatever. But me, I guess any any misuse of your authority is brutal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=8.31,194.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So. So what about that experience? So you scratch your back?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=196.01,198.29"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Scratch like. I mean, you see, you do this, and I just scratch my back. So I guess the police thought I was about to pull out a gun or something, you know? But I'm just sitting there waiting for the bus and, you know, I mean, but I mean, when it's not much you can do when people are holding guns to you and they have a badge saying, okay, we have the authority to pretty much do whatever we like to do and we're justified to do it because we had this bad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=198.8,239.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Did they did they detain you at that at that moment? So So they're pointing guns at you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=240.11,244.19"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they detained me for a little like maybe an hour or two to find out what was going on. And then when I guess they were satisfied to say, oh, we got the wrong person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=245.15,257.3"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And he's packed up and left.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=259.1,259.94"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Really? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=260.209,263.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And I guess so. So. So. So how is it, do you think, that they sort of saw you at the bus stop and then were in then a position to think, okay, this guy is, you know, scratching his back, is reaching for for a gun or I mean, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=264.29,282.65"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That I don't know. The only the only thing that they told me was that they had. They had like some complaints. Somebody was around the neighborhood and you kind of fit the description first. So I'm like, okay, you know, I mean, at that point he is like, okay, you know, whatever. I mean, I'm not going to sit back and argue with you and try to justify, you know, look, I'm just waiting for the bus. You know, because you guys have guns and you guys have the badge, say, okay, I'm the law. So. Right. So whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=283.37,324.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So. So I would I would define that as brutality, you know, whether it's sort of a physical beat or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=325.82,331.71"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=332.35,332.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I don't think that matters, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=332.76,334.23"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess. How would you say that? Like the crossing the line from, you know, using your the badge to do your your job, whatever cops are are supposed to do to, like, brutality. Like what? In that moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=335.88,352.2"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I'm. I feel I. Everybody has the right to defend themselves. Everybody has the right to protect themselves. When we cross the line is. Okay. You need ten cards for one person. That's crossing the line. You need to slam somebody on the ground that's not even doing something that's crossing over in some. I mean, personally, I haven't been in these situations, but I have heard and I have friends that have been in positions where. Just because you had a look or how they dress or how they speak are. Just because the the the officer didn't like the way. A word was said, you know, get on your knees, hold a gun to back, back of your head. And just like for what? I'm just walking in the street, you know? Okay. Um, so I think when you cross the line is when you feel like you sit. Since you're in a place of authority, I have the right to do whatever I want to do now, you know, And without even fining or even looking for any facts or any evidence to justify my reasoning for my abuse of power. You know, I mean, I know I guess I heard on TV now that they have a law now that if you're sagging, we can pull you out. And it's like, okay, what if I don't have a belt, you know? I mean, that may be a stupid thing, but, you know, just to pull somebody over because they don't know how to wear pants properly or, you know. And then I heard of a few years ago that if you walk down a street with morning, I think three people, you're gay, you're considered a gang and that's you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=353.25,503.04"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that a California thing you think, or a Southern California?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=503.58,505.32"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I that's where I heard it in in California. It was in L.A., I guess. You know, I understand you have gangs and you know, you have all these this violence out here, but you're you're only I think when you do things like that, you kind of motivate more violence because it's like, okay, you know, you got three partners just walking down the street, just want to hang out, talk and stuff like that. But you're going to pull them over because you consider them now a gang, a threat and they not even doing. You know, I remember one incident where I was living with a friend in Beverly Hills, and I was again, I was in there at the bus stop and a cop pulled in in front of me and was like, um, what are you doing? I told him, I'm waiting for the bus. He was like, Do you live here? I was like, Yeah, I live right across the street. And he's like, No, you don't. I won't tell me where I live, you know? And he was like, You don't belong here. I was like, Wow, okay, well, I'll let me wait for my bus and I'll be gone, you know? But if that's abuse of your authority, tell me I can't live where I want and where I want to live or where I choose to live or even where I'm living now. Because why? Because I look different from you are. I'm not a, uh. I'm the image of Beverly Hills, you know? So I think that it's a fine line where, you know, you had. People don't believe in protecting, sir.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=505.77,618.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think? Do you think that's a common experience for black folks that. That their interactions with the police are usually experiences of an abuse of power.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=621.0,634.18"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Yes, definitely. I mean, you know, they do have some nice police officers out there, a handful of people that really want to protect this are but the majority of their experience of the black community and especially young black people are. This is just outrageous. And I think that that leaves young black people to believe wing or make is No. Is. So we might as we'll I'll be out here doing what we want to do because in the end we will make it anyway so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=635.94,677.06"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So. So let me ask you this. So I, I like your definition or the way that you say the abuse of power by the police officers. I like the way you make the distinction between sort of the actual beat out of police brutality and the the abuse of power. But ultimately, those two those two things are related. They're almost the same thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=679.28,706.36"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=706.63,707.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And so I wonder if if it's common. If the abuse of power experience is more common in the actual beat down. Experience. Is it that abuse of power, do you think, that sort of trains young people? Right to interact with the police because they know that the beat down is always a possibility. Yeah. I guess what I should ask that is a question. Did you feel that in the abuse of power that you've experienced from the police, that the actual beatdown part was a was a possibility?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=707.8,744.81"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, definitely. Definitely. You know, is is I think the. It's always a possibility where you stand, where you feel threatened, you know, in police officers. From my understanding. He shouldn't be a threat to you. You supposed to, you know, because it says serve and protect, you know. They provide a service and they supposed to protect us, you know? But when you when you misuse your authority by talking to me like I'm nothing compared to you, then I feel threatened. So if I come at you, I, you know, look, I'm just trying to show you respect is stuff. Even with that, you know, it's a possibility of somebody coming at you and and beating you that, you know, So you want to stay in a position. You want to be in a submissive position and say, okay, yes, officer, You know, and even if you show them the respect in in submit to their authority, they still kind of overwrite in oh, neck, you know, I mean, you have no idea what's going on through another person. So even with you can be as sweet as a baby and still want to, you know, do some things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=746.13,855.12"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you? Do you think that? So so so far, what you've told us, right, is the sort of that experience of feeling that police abuse their power. Right. And in the actual policing part, do you feel that that has some impact on the way that you will? Sort of look for the police. The what? What I'm trying to get at is the protected serve part. So now that you've experienced that abuse of power and and the possibility of police brutality in those experiences, was there. Do you feel that you would call a police officer when you need a police officer? Or would you would you rather try to figure things out before calling the police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=858.49,910.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think yeah, I think I would try to the police being the police being called would be, alas, like a last resort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=911.26,920.8"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What would it take for you to call the police?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=922.24,923.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no. I'm just trying to think of a situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=928.59,934.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that's what I mean. Like how extreme when a situation has to be for you to think, You know what? I'm going to have to to see if I can't get them to do their job. That I guess what I'm trying to say is how extreme, what a situation have to be, where you would think that you would need, that you would rely on the police to actually protect you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=938.34,957.15"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I think if somebody was trying to move the physically harmed us in in you know, in I mean, and what I say about that, if this person was going to kill me, had a gun and I didn't have a gun, then I would definitely call the police. Okay. You know, but if and I'm maybe 85% of the black community would feel the same way. If this man has a gun and I have a gun, is no need for me to call the police, you know, And that's how the I'm not going to say only the black community, but that's how the low income community feels. The poverty level community feels. Because, I mean, you know, I it is I mean, I heard this many times, you know, you have a shoot out. You know, you call the police. And I mean, by the time the police come, family is there, you know, So it's like I think for a black person, you really can't call the police is really it has to really be like I have reached my last resort. I can't do anything. So let me see if these people are willing to kind of the police are willing to come and do their job. But, you know, sitting around all day to wait for because I'll call the police, you know, in the police probably wouldn't get to my house maybe 45, 30 minutes to 45 minutes in as you were interested.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=957.51,1061.2"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever you need, it's done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1061.57,1062.3"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's it's like, you know. Okay, Well, I mean, and so that leads me to, like, say, okay, well, I'm not going to. I'm going to try to resolve my own issue before I allow them to come into my space. You know, and it's a shame because where I live is and where I live is right around the corner and the police station is right up up the street. So it's like, you know, I could walk to the police station and I mean, you know, I'll call police and I see a police car drive right by my house. But it's not the police that they called to come out to my house. But if you ride right past my house, they could. I mean, I thought they would call all the cars and say, hey, look, blah, blah, blah, it is. And whatever car was near was supposed to pick up that call. But I guess that was not the case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1062.75,1123.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I've I've had an experience that way where someone someone hit my car and I thought, you know, what, if I if I call the police, make a report and I can claim I can I can talk to my insurance. And in the neighborhood that I lived in, there were police like you couldn't go, you know, four or 5 seconds without seeing a police car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1124.5,1142.05"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1142.44,1142.98"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. But I called and they said, oh, yeah, it's going to take about an hour to get someone out there because there's no one in in the area. Right. I'm I'm talking to Lady said, look, I can see police driving by.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1143.19,1153.09"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1154.21,1154.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I wonder if if you would think. Is there a sense among people that calling the police could sort of go wrong in the sense that if you call the police, they might end up taking you or they you know, that they're not there to help you. And so you call the police and you put yourself in danger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1155.88,1180.7"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think there are some cases where you hesitate to call the police because you feel like. They may take you, like as far as a domestic violence. Let's say it was because I was speaking on my own experience. You know, I've been to the domestic rallies and where my baby, when I would come over and start hitting me or breaking up my property or stuff like that, and I would strain her, you know, in I mean, so I'm restrained to her being the police's call in a come out. Sometimes I worry because I'm like, okay, we will both in an altercation. So I'm hoping they won't take me to jail. But, you know, I mean, would I have to do something to get this person off? And, you know, so I the last resort was to call the police because AP tell somebody to go home so many times and they choose not to is like, okay, we're either I got to do something. But I was in positions where I felt like, you know, maybe I'm like, go to jail, You know, maybe because they were my background, because I have a parking ticket or something, something simple, you know? You know, you know. So it is that fear of if I do call the police to get the help I need, am I going to, you know. And with police nowadays, they sometimes just do things and make up things just to justify what they do or they make their quota or get a bonus or the check or whatever. Whatever may happen, you know, is. It's ridiculous because people. Why? Like I said, people don't believe in and protect and serve. And I remember coming out here, you know, I say hi to everybody, waves everybody. And now it's like sense of my own. My experiences with the police, you know, I've seen police rolling in the street. And I mean, I don't want to see I don't want you know, I don't want to wave or high say hi any more. But I think my personality in who I am and does do it every once while I see one out of five, I might do it. But sometimes when I see him, now is my going to mess with me or, you know, what are they going to do? You always have that in the back, in your mind, even even when you're driving. And I mean, you could be everything could be be up to par. You registration and insurance, everything, license, everything driving fine. But a police would drive behind you and just steady drive behind you like, okay, I'm fine. I'm fine. They assume you hit the corner. They hit the corner and then it's like, Wow, you pull me over and you just have that fear of leave me alone, you know, don't bother me. Let me just be who I'm a be. But I in is real. I mean, I guess as a black man, you know, I can't speak for nobody else. For me, it's. Is just because of all the experience it put in my head that. I am taught now to be scared of the police. And it's a shame because the police are here to protect and serve. But how can I allow these people to say they don't protect and serve come into my life? And I know the experience I've been through, so I don't. I really don't believe in protect and serve.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1182.38,1444.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So So the idea of being taught to be afraid of the police. Can you elaborate on that just a little bit? Who is it that that has taught you to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1446.08,1454.69"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Afraid of the police And, you know, just like your parents teach you things, the police teach you how to be afraid, you know, because they don't, you know, I mean. Usually with black people, the first experience of a police officer is fear. And you know, then that that then every once in a while, you know, you may get, you know, hey, you know, we have picnics and gathering, you know, policemen, whatever, you know. But a person's first experience is the one that's going to last as long as you know. So once you put that fear in them is like they kind of control you now, you know, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1454.84,1507.81"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you think that fear is useful for for the police? Do they benefit in some ways by teaching black people to be afraid of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1512.31,1522.52"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Do you? Yeah. What way do you think? I think fear controls. So when people fear you, control them. So, you know, I mean, there's a lot of corrupt police out here. So if people fear the police is like, Hey, you could be a snitch for me. You do this for me, I control you now I'm your master. Now you serve me because you fear. You know what I'm capable of. You know what I can do to you if you don't fear me. So it's like that cycle just. Just sparks, you know, a new fear. You can't fear the one that's an authority in authority. The one that can really take your life more than anybody else in even with your parents, your parents or your parents. But these people got the capability of taking my life, even though my parents got the the the the authority to take my life. These people got get the right to take my life and say, well, you know, so my parents are like, they take my life. They can feel guilty. These people my age, they go out and get a donut and think nothing of it, you know? So who am I going to fear the worst? You know, so and once you've got that fear, it's like, I've got you now, you know, So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1524.5,1618.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That makes it easier for the police to do their.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1619.89,1621.37"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Job. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1621.52,1622.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e They get they build that fear with the community and then it makes it easier for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1622.99,1627.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1632.02,1632.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you like maybe your experiences when you were younger, did you witness police brutality before you experienced it? Did you see other people?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1635.12,1645.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The first the first some ever had a encounter with the police? No, let me take that back, because I did have one encounter in back East. But the like back east, the police were then raided. So they I mean, okay, my first experience with a police officer, I was you know, I had some complications and they just made me throw it away, crusted in ground and was like, okay, bye. You know, But when I come out here, then that's when everything changed. It was like, Now I know. Police are. I mean, it was different because police out there were like your parents, you know, the police out here like you're I don't want to say slave masses, but they're your jailers. They put you in a prison and they put you in a box. You know, so my first bad experience with the police work was out here, you know, And, um. Can you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1645.77,1726.5"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel comfortable elaborating on that experience and telling us what? That experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1726.92,1729.95"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The first one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1730.7,1731.18"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1731.45,1731.45"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I wanted to make some money somehow, but my friend offered me, you know, so we the sale, so I, so you know, we'd and we're not, but I mean that wasn't me, you know. So most of the stuff I bought, I still had and I threw away anyway. But police came down, you know, they checked my pockets and I was like, oh, man, I got the anything. He looked at it. He was like, Oh, what's this? I like this bag we used. Like, okay, just dump it out in the grass. Massive me in, in, in the dirt. And we call it the acres. I mean I thought actually they lazy because they were right. No reports and nothing like that, you know. So I figured okay whatever, you know, fine. So they were more like, we just want look out for you will want to help you grow. We want to help you. We want to help you. And by helping you, we going to tell you, okay, this is not the way to go. I came out here is my okay. It is totally different. We going to get you. We end up we will get caught up in the wing on teaching. We won't let you be back. We won't let you do this. We won't let you do this. Then we get him that. We got you and that's it. You know, you're now let a labeled, uh. A juvenile delinquent, a criminal felon, whatever. But they. My experience out here is they the police don't offer help. They don't offer, you know. Different from anything. I know they don't offer any, uh, encouragement or like, you know, unless you really do research in. I know they have like different programs and stuff like that, but sometimes you have to make it the jail just to get off these programs. You are, you have to have some kind of, uh. Uh, um. Financial stability to know about these borrowers, you know? I mean, when you live on low income, you live in poverty. All you got is welfare and that's it. You know a year. Welfare that certain programs but welfare don't help you get off of welfare. It helps you stay on welfare. So you can just, you know, and then I know California is a beautiful place. I love it. Well, it's a beautiful place because y'all have so many things out here. But is hard. Is is is It is if you if you came out here with nothing you wanted, none of it. You going to stay? Having nothing, you know, is maybe one 2% that can kind of really get in on the ground and you make decent resources a be that personally you know but the majority of people out here, they get comfortable, they get relaxed, they know what's going on. You know, especially if I, I can go outside of my block because if I go outside of here, you know, please, no, get me. So I'm a stay right in my little niche right here in pretty much the niche in either their neighborhood or their house. Because if I go outside of my house, I'm jeopardizing myself, either for the police to harass me or one of my own people to harass me in. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1732.2,1981.05"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's let me let me ask you sort of one more question related to that. What do you think then, about these programs or these police projects or city projects where they try to try to say, we want the police to become sort of the good guys, We want them to be involved in the community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=1981.98,2004.75"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, honestly, I think I think it's a publicity. It's a. Is this a stunt? Is the show is the show the. You know, the trust of the community. And then once you got to trust and fear, then it's or at me, you know, we turn back, we turn into puppets. You know, because if I trust you, you'll do anything for me. If you fear me, you won't do anything. Me, you know, And I think. And don't get me wrong, is it's a handful of police officers out there. There's there's pretty much one to do. Their job is going to do great job. But the majority of the system is. Is not good, you know, And I think, you know, it is good if they do really motivate and promote, you know, the police to come out to the community, the kind of show, you know, themselves and. Okay, we're doing our job and stuff like that. But I think the police already embedded the. Fair enough. We don't we don't trust that. It's like, okay, what you are doing here, you know, your harass another thing, you are looking at them as spying on those. I mean, it could be, I think for a lot lot of us we just look at it as it's a show, the say that we're doing something, we're out there, we're patrolling, you know, But in the back of our heads, we're like, you're out there looking for something. You're looking for us to do something that you'd like us to do, want us to do. So you can get them, you know, they give you a reason. They say, Oh, you spit on the ground, spitting is not allowed. So now we got to him up and we got to lock you up and detain because I spit somewhere you didn't let me just so I think is it's a show, you know, because. I mean, I'm. I think if we was if if this was your your aim all along, you would have did it back a long time. So now that you know that the community doesn't trust you guys, you have to win that trust back. So this is trying to say, okay, well, we got the fear, but now we got to get you more to trust us. So we kiss more, you know, more of whatever we need, you know, from you guys. But it's already embedded in. The majority of the community that. They don't trust the police. And it's a shame because. They're going to say, we need to, please, will we kind of please, you know, So.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=2007.51,2218.83"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's a fine line, right, to be sort of caught in that in that middle set part. Right. Where to not trust that you still have this need, you know, of what it is that the police ultimately could do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=2219.85,2231.37"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Would depend, you know because it's like I mean, just like, you know, they have so many laws now. It's like, you know, if you get in an altercation with somebody, you end up. Been this person down or they beat you down and stuff like then police is called is like, Oh, you should have called us to come out. We could have broken up and stuff like that, but we don't trust you now. Now we both own the jail or I'm going to jail or the other person is going to jail or I'm getting sued. AAM you know that whatever's going to happen you know but it's like if we don't feel that. That trust. We're not going to depend on you and trust you enough to say, okay, is the altercation going or keep coming out to try to help resolve this. You know, and then I don't have 30, 45 minutes with you. The way for you to come out here when I see your car, a police car right down the block, you know, just parked there usually. I mean, sometimes I call the police and I would see a car write down on a on a block, just parked. Just parked there. And it's like, okay, you know, and sometimes I want to go up to that car and say, hey, look, I have, you know, something going on here. Can you help me out? You know? But then even with that, in my stepping out of my bounds to give myself in trouble, because I'm going over to, uh, to ask for some help when he's obviously I know he's doing something else, But now will I be in trouble for even coming up to him to ask? So is even even with that, you know, you you look at it and say, like, you should be able to take the action. But we had that fear in us to say, oh, maybe I better not disturb him, because if I walk up onto the, he's liable to, you know, so I'll just sit there and deal with my situation. You know, so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=2232.54,2374.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Should we make the next one?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=2377.93,2379.28"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eUnidentified:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947#t=2379.64,2381.23"}]},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1734/collection_resources/56787/file/130947/transcript/49336/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/336/original/open-uri20230830-932135-jwkxjo?1693414749","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/336/original/open-uri20230830-932135-jwkxjo?1693414749"}]}]}]}