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Got it all there. It's like I said, basically, this is your show. I'm gonna give you one. I'm going to give you. I'm going to give you one one prompt, and then you can then just elaborate on that and then we'll just go from there. And however long it takes, if it takes ten, 15 or 20 of them were good, if it takes 10 minutes, that's fine too. So so the question then that I'd like to ask you is if you wouldn't mind sharing your narrative of of the experience of coming out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=0.06,28.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean, coming out isn't just like the sort of common narrative behind it, like in the media and like other heterosexual people. It's sort of like, no offense to you, obviously, but I think I feel like that's why. Oh, the straights like because I do that sometimes. But like they think it's like, oh, you throw a big podium like, Oh yeah, I'm gay and everyone knows you're gay. Then you just walk through like a big, like gay heaven above your head when really it's like you're coming out every day of your life. Like, say, your parents know. And that's a big, big deal. But like, you go to work every day and you can like, just like, decide if like, it's okay. It's like, have you passed on that? You have to hide that. Like if your boss might be cool about your coworkers, definitely not going to be cool for like everyone around you. You have to like, like scope them out. So you have to like a good straight or a bad straight. Like like, oh, are they going to think of me as a lesser person if I if they know this about me? So you have to have like each situation you have like different layers of yourself exposed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=29.22,87.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, So, so then if, if you like, you say it's, it's, it's an actual process, one that seems like maybe it's never kind of kind of finished. When when do you when would you say that you began that process?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=88.59,102.15"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, probably around middle school because, like, I didn't know what the hell gay was until December when the whole Proposition eight thing was happening. No, it was back when California, like it was legal to have gay marriage in California. But somehow I think it was like some woman's lobby group lobbied that it was somehow they were going to have a have a problem to strike that down and have it only heterosexual marriage allowed in California. And there were all these ads about like, oh, if if you if you vote no on this, then they're going to teach your kids about the gays in school. And then and they kept calling my my house like lobby from to my my parents to vote yes on this, obviously. And then they're like, I've got to teach my daughter more about the gays in the past week of your campaign than they have ever in my life. You actually have exclusive expletive because my parents are pretty like, okay with it. Like like when I told I finally told them like, like eighth grade when I was like, because I live like more of a conservative part of California, like it was, oh, California, super liberal all the time. And Rancho is pretty conservative. So it's a sort of I'd like a lot of blowback. Like I maybe like talk to their girl cute one day and I got called into the office and I the assistant principal is like, there are some rumors that you might be a lesbian and like, why is this an issue? Oh, it's some of the parents are concerned. And if you could just like, maybe stop doing that, like and I didn't realize the gravity of like it was an actual thing I could sue them for at the time because if I did, I would have so much more college money. But like, it was this sort of like, so, oh, this is something that's been I have to hide it. Okay. So I just sort of went through my life like, I don't know, that was just a weird phase. Yeah. And then I was like, Nope, I'm fucking gay. Nope, full gay. So I told my parents and they were like, What? It's been that. Why is this an issue of we need this already? Go to bed? That was their reaction because it was like ten. And then I was like, like up, like I couldn't stop thinking about it. So I went to my parents, like, okay, by the way, it's like if you're telling us you're gay, we know go to bed. Because was like, okay. And I went back to bed and that was it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=103.35,246.24"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Really. That's so so the it was sort of a, a conversation that never completely happened. Yeah, really.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=247.56,254.97"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And this sort of because my parents sort of raised me sort of like a little bit like gender neutral, I guess. Okay. Like I never really had any like, Oh, this is a girl thing. This is a boy thing. And you have to do this because it's a girl thing and this because it's you can't do this because it's a boy thing. It was like, Oh, you like diapers. Let's get you all the dolls or things. Oh, you like dolls? Now let's get you all the doll things. Like what if I was interested and they would support and I was interested in everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=255.9,278.43"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, So when it came time then for you to try and have that conversation with your parents and you felt pretty comfortable about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=279.21,289.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=290.13,290.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e What that would.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=290.64,291.03"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Be like if I was like, worried because like everyone else around me was like, Oh, it's a bad thing to be gay. So it's like. And then all the. I felt like this coming out there. It it was there just like these, like nerve wracking things that, like, it's a big, spontaneous, huge event. And I guess it might be for some people, but in my experience, it was way more overblown. That need to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=291.18,312.78"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you feel that? Do you feel like that then has been the experience with other moments in that process, or are some people do some people make it sort of an official? Kind of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=314.55,328.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because I have my my family is like very scrupulously like super conservative or very liberal. Like like either hell, yeah, Trump's the best man. Oh my God, I totally make out of Stalin like it's all over the place. But I notice that whenever I mention it to my liberal cousins, they're like, Are you coming out to me? Oh, my God, I'm so, ah, like, I. I just made a pun about gay stuff. Oh, but we coming all to me, I thought was already out to you. Oh, well, I'm like, they me, they, they made it a huge deal because. Oh, my gosh, I know a gay. Now I'm more progressive. Right. Okay. And it was very condescending. But when I was watching it, because I have like a really conservative firm, a cousin, but I was like, fed up of something in the community that I couldn't talk about to like my level cousins because they're like, Oh, that's not politically correct or something because it was just a thing. So I talked to her about like, Oh yeah, I know you are. I am too. Like, like most conservative cousin I have is bisexual. Okay? So it's just sort of like and my other conservative family members are just like, Oh yeah, that's cool. As long as you don't make it a huge deal. And I really don't. I just make a bunch of really awful jokes about it all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=328.68,396.9"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So what would what would making it a huge deal be in your mind? What do they mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=397.65,402.45"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, one of my other my my aunt made a huge post like, I'm so honored that it went Smith And she tagged me in the Facebook post about how I came out to her. And I really just made a goddamn pun. And it wasn't out to everyone else on the Facebook. And you weren't it, though? No, because I so, like, gradually was like people I felt safe with. Like I was saying, like it's, it's a process. Uh, like I'm still not publicly out on Facebook, Like, I have, like, dropped like, many hints because I have an great aunt who, who's has Facebook, but like, my grandma doesn't. But if that happens on Facebook, my great aunt will immediately tell my grandma, okay. And I just want to like see the look on her face. I really want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=402.72,441.33"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e See the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=441.39,441.51"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Look on her face, but so I don't wanna have that taken away from me. So they were like, Oh my gosh, it's a huge thing. I know. Again, I'm so it's an inspiring, perfect liberal for supporting the gay look at me kind of thing. It's like they made it about more about themselves and about this meme making a fucking pun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=441.6,462.9"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And do you do you get the sense that a lot of people make it more about them? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=463.65,469.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Because I'm not sure what started it, but like, like I guess in the alt community, like they like a lot of like it's good that there are players out there who want to like, like be alive and succeed, I guess. But the whole oh, I'm a better person because I'm a I'm a huge like they do. It's like so the other people see that they are a good person instead of just doing good deeds like that. Like use the labels and like the weird rhetoric, like, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=470.82,496.77"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=497.4,497.4"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So it's just sort of it feels like the condescending, almost like the terrorists look at me doing, Hey, Erin, I'm doing this thing. Look at me during the thing like, Yes, that's nice. Have you seen me doing the thing? Yes, Lori, I've seen it right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=497.82,513.24"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you do you think then, that you mentioned earlier that you at least my understanding of it, was that you were involved in in politics before you were 18 years old. You said you were saying that that these lobbyists, I guess, were calling calling your house to tell you, to tell your parents or inform them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=514.47,536.28"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they do that every election season, absolutely. But I I've always talked about politics is my dad's my dad makes sure that, like I get multiple perspectives in my house, like because my mom leans more liberal politically, but like, more conservative, like, socially. I guess my dad's really liberal, socially conservative, like, politically, right? So like, and he's like, okay, if if you got to read at least, like when I was in middle school, like, I would have to read like at least two articles from three different like websites, Like, one was like CNN, which is like more of a liberal one. Like, I think it was like paper. It's like a really conservative one. And then like the local news station, so one with like many different sources.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=536.46,575.85"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And so then I guess what I'm trying to ask is, do you feel that it was the politics around sexuality that made you partly more politically active or less inclined?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=576.36,589.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, that's because I see every day like the legislation that affects me in my community like this. Like. Like how it's like. Or to have conversion therapy, even though every major psychological organization has condemned it. So it's like. Or even this, like. Like adoption rights and married. You have marriage rights now, but it's still a longer process. There's still more to be done. Because I saw like, I feel like marriage got legalized, like it was just, okay, gays are happy. Let's let's not think about them. And they just stopped. So it's just more work to be done. Okay. And I just this because my dad's always talking about, like, different policies and stuff. And so all the time, like, I see how it affects people and people like me. And I just I can't sit back and not do anything about it because if I have like the because I'm from middle class family, I'm white, I'm, I pass as female. So I can I can use those privileges that I have that makes it more a voice and say a homeless black lesbian who can't really get off the ground. I'm already in college. Like, that's a lot of people don't get that chance. Okay. So, like, you suppose I have to help my community?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=590.61,663.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Okay. And so do you. Do you think that at that age, in middle school, for example, do you feel like your counterparts were as equally interested or invested in politics? No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=663.73,678.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e We had there was like this kid stuff. We were kids thinking about kid stuff. But because I was constantly like college office and like me existing as some of those track, the dorm room was a horrible thing that I had to like. Oh, you, you. Because I got in a fight once because, like, I, I once again talk to the girl who apparently had a boyfriend for 5 seconds and he got mad and kick my ass. Well, I kicked his ass, but he started, so I got to stop him. He didn't. Right. So seeing that sort of how I can, like, use the legal system to to come to. Hope, like resolve these kinds of prejudices in conflict. Like the like for people like that, one asshole will actually get the full brunt of the like the educational system on his ass instead of me getting a three day suspension. Right. I mean, glad I did break his nose and he probably had hospital bills, but.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=679.33,741.14"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So. So what do you think that how then has the have those experiences giving you a different or maybe not different, uh, of a perspective or an expectation of what your future might be like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=743.96,761.18"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Basically, like, I know if I just get like a well paying office job and I just work and make money and have a hobby and a couple of dogs, like I'll never be satisfied. Like if I see injustice going, I don't do anything to stop it. I don't mean just like, Oh, I'm just going to show up to snot face because you're just article like that doesn't do anything. I have to at least try to do something because if I make it to Congress and I try to get a bill passed and no one wants to pass it, that's on them. But I how many people can say that they've got it made, attempted to make legislation to help people and not just made a petition that got two views, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=762.08,801.41"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. And you feel then that that or do you feel that you're sort of. Desire to do those things in the future has been motivated by your own experiences and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=803.91,817.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=817.6,817.6"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=818.27,818.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I just because I don't want other people to go through what I've gone through. It wasn't even that bad compared to other people's experiences, but it still sucked. I want I just want everything to suck less for less generations. Like that's everyone's got rights. But.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=819.22,835.06"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So. So then. So then you felt that at at at an early age. I guess what I'm what I'm trying to, to get a sense of is whether or not you felt that you had to sort of. Sort of start that coming out process with your parents. Was it something that you you've why did you feel compelled to do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=835.96,858.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess because I felt like I was hiding and like I don't lie. Well, I occasionally lie to my parents, like, but not in like the something that big. Like it's. Did you do the laundry? Yes, I did. I did. Not immediately. Or did you take out the trash? Yes. Did you do homework? Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=858.77,876.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=878.09,878.09"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But not like. Oh, you st right. That would be a complete bald face that I couldn't like. I kind let's make myself straight. Like I could just make make up, make me better, do the dishes kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=878.99,890.03"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And did you feel that when you your parents reacted the way that they did, did you feel then that that meant that from that moment on, things were going to be the way that you needed them to be?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=890.93,903.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just so you keep hearing and it's like, Oh, yeah, they got kicked out of the house or they got disowned or they got like beat for being, being LGBT and stuff. So I was just relieved that it wasn't going to be a big deal at all. And even to this day, like my my dad just sort of, I guess because my dad's ideas of sexuality were really tied into this is gender. So we just treated me like a son instead. Okay, So this is the. Oh, yeah. Okay. So like, oh, yeah, this actress is really hard, right? Mm hmm. So what about this article you cite? Mm hmm. So it was talked about like that, that sort of, like, manly machismo talk with me because you couldn't have, like, a son. Because I'm the only child, you know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=904.19,944.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you feel does did that make you feel sort of accepted or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=946.52,951.05"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, because, I mean, he's making an effort to because it's like, Oh, this is my kid and I live in this town. I said, I love my kid. He's like, Oh, yeah, I love my big gay kids. But, like, he doesn't really like, he's like, Oh, yeah, I have to vote for Trump because Hillary is called a muslim and the mother is going to kill the gays, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=951.29,969.57"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Okay. Yeah. But in some ways, though, than that he he he finds ways to let you know that that that he's accepting. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=970.04,978.43"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Jesus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=979.49,979.49"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Sorry. Oh, that's okay. Awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=980.42,982.91"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, almost a little bit less like. Oh, my God. Could you stop talking about the way I don't talk about how I fuck that all the times? Like, I'm not talking about fucking mom, right? Because I just, like. Like because he was. So I thought the idea of being like he was like this only a sexual thing and not this like, an entire, like identity. Like. Like how. Like she is. Oh, you know, I have, like, kind of like babies would like if a boy makes eye contact. No, the goby, but. Oh, yeah, they're going to get married one day. Did do like that's, that's stupid. Right. But like that kind of like, like I'll have to check for all these everywhere. I can't do the same stuff because then it's like if I so much as, like, say that I, I, I'm like if somebody says, Oh yeah, I'm going to have a wife one day like, oh, so you like. You like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=984.62,1034.869"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1036.95,1036.95"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Like they, they don't think of, oh, I'm going to have a connection for me. They think, oh I'm just going to have like hot lesbian sex all the time. It's awful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1037.27,1045.339"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So that brings up a great question. Do you feel that people then, even after you've started the coming out process, do you feel that people accept that beyond the actual act of having sex, they accept what that might mean for your life in a number of different ways?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1046.599,1067.96"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I suppose so, because I feel like if I had, I married a woman, I had the wedding, I could invite all of my cousins and nothing would be an issue. But they would still do like their own notions of what being gay is. Because, I mean, I only I don't know what the hell it's like to be straight. I don't know. I don't get it, but I'm not going to judge someone for it. But I feel like my ideas of what straightness is are totally different to what it is for hacks or straight people. I that has to be the same for other people's perception of LGBT people because you just you've never experienced it. You've never you don't know what it's like. You can only get like metaphors or like conceptual descriptions, but you can't understand it. So like, I don't think they're ever going to completely get what's going on. But like, I feel like they're going to accept it because they know it's like I see them part of me and it's sort of it's becoming more normal now, I suppose. So it's I'm not sure I was going with this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1068.68,1126.82"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is a crazy word in itself, right? Normal. Yeah, normal, which I think is what people are looking for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1127.15,1131.65"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. Well, like normal in the eyes of society. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1131.93,1133.79"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which is, which is what those folks on the outside are looking for when they try to interpret people within their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1134.47,1140.68"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1141.13,1141.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e The way things should work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1141.87,1142.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1143.59,1143.59"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. Do you are there are there any other sort of. Elements of that that you might be interested in sharing as far as as far as just the actual process of of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1145.21,1154.61"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This, that this the important thing to know is like coming out for pretty much every LGBT person is a constant process. Like it always starts off like when you finally, like take the first step of coming out, but then like I'm still technically in the closet cause I've never made a public social media post about how much I love women like, and I've only selectively talked about people like, like, say, I went over to my, my grandma's house or my great aunt's house and. Oh, okay. And. And I wanted to talk about, like, my girlfriend there, because they're Catholics, and I don't want to have the Catholic perspective because I was raised Catholic. Yeah. Yeah. So it's just sort of like you have to feel get a feel for the situation before you talk about a thing. It's like any sort of conversation, really. Like, you know, you really shouldn't talk about it, like dissecting pigs at a dinner table or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1155.72,1213.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. It seems like from what you told me, that while you say it's y y your experience is that it's a continuing it's a continuing or continual process, which I think makes perfect sense. And it is is is a whole nother interesting aspect of that, of the idea of process, which is what I'm really interested in. It seems that that the way in which people interact with you though, there's always somebody willing to out you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1216.05,1243.44"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Right. Like I have to be like, No, I haven't told them yet. Shut your mouth. Like, okay. Funny, I had time, man. I have a cousin who, like, acts like he's like an art major, which maybe that gives an idea of who he is. Like, this is really, like, flamboyant, like, Oh, yeah, there's another guy at the table here, and, and I was, oh, well, they're like, Oh yeah. Like, guess who eats as at this table? Because I was this mad because that would be up to five of those people at the table. Oh, okay. Which so we had a conversation after like, okay, if, you know, when we talk about that, then you talk to me about, like, clear it by me first. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1244.13,1289.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But there's enough people that are willing to to include you in their own politics, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1291.5,1295.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1295.7,1295.7"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like for their own means.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1297.05,1297.86"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, like the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1298.25,1299.39"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Whole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850#t=1299.48,1299.48"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56655/file/130850/transcript/44930/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like the whole, I guess. Like, I just. I feel like I could disconnect from most. Like modern neo liberal politics just because it's all about the individual and how, like, how, how good you are based on, like, what kind of rhetoric you use and like, how many friend like, oh yeah, because my and I have a black friend and like, they're not your friend. They, they set the same desk at you but they, they don't, I don't think they know your name or like, oh yeah I have a mexican friend like that. That's, that's the lady behind the meat counter, right. Yeah. You're not French. Yeah. Like, like she tries to act. How? Like diverse and like something she has based on how many minority she knows and knows is a very broad term for her. Right. Like I made eye contact with an Asian today, so it's like. It's. It's annoying. And does a lot of people like that where it's just like, oh man, I met a gay today and like, they'd like, tag me and all this stuff. Like, like I'm not publicly like, but to make a notice that I'm not publicly out publicly out me right now. So yeah, so it's like it's I probably just be fully out. It's probably fine, but it's a pain in the ass. 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