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So. Why am I blinking? So just basically told me your coming out story and, you know, the first time it happened and any other notable times?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=3.26,21.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. Okay. Um. The first time I came out to anybody was in. Like high school, I guess. I was 14.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=22.95,38.23"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I was just going to start working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=38.98,40.69"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess I kind of started telling people that I liked girls when I was 13 because that was like that was like when people first started knowing lesbians, I guess. And so I was like, I don't know, maybe me, I think. And then I knew. And then at about 14, I started having friends and liking myself like, a little bit. So, um, so I just kind of was like trying out identities and stuff. And so I came out as bi to my friends and they were all like, Oh, that's cool. No big. We're all bi, everybody's bi. So I was like, Okay. Um, and then I had a gay friend too. Um, and then of course not all those people were by growing up after that. But you know, everybody was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=44.23,104.56"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Bi as and they didn't like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=104.77,105.88"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Stay. Yeah, like it was a phase, like it was a little. Yeah. Like it was a literal phase. Okay. So but that's fine though. That's good. It's good to have phases and life is a phase.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=106.75,120.67"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's right. Everything is a phase.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=121.21,122.23"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like is a phase. And then you die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=122.77,123.85"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh, it's getting dark real quick.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=125.47,127.39"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=129.13,130.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Anyway, um, so, yeah. Then I came out to my mom. Yeah, that was, like, good. She wasn't like, when did that happen? That happened, like, midway through that same year.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=133.57,149.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, so you're still 40?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=149.92,151.0"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=151.57,151.57"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay, So how did she take it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=152.02,153.49"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e She kind of. She was. She kind of tried to do the, like, low key thing where she was like, Oh, that's fine. You know, you can be whatever you want to be, and I don't care, but I just don't really want to hear about it. And I was like, Okay. The way she put it was really graphic and weird. I mean, we just always had kind of a kind of an extreme way of talking to each other that a lot of people don't think of as like mother, daughter or parent child speech. But so she was basically like, if you like, if you have one of those in your mouth, I don't want to hear about it. And I was like, I'm not going to tell you that I'm red munching. Like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=154.21,197.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, oh, like, I'm not going.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=198.55,202.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To come home and tell you what her pussy tasted like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=202.36,205.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=206.09,206.09"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay. For me, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=207.28,208.03"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. It's like everything's cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=208.96,210.61"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Everything's cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=211.27,211.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Whatever you want to say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=212.11,213.07"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So I was just like, okay, I guess that's fine. And yeah, that was coming out to my mom when I was 14 and I don't think I ever really came out to my dad. She probably just kind of figured it out because all his kids are gay or something like, Oh, well, I had a girlfriend for a while when I was 16. Okay. Um, my first girlfriend and I wasn't closeted about it, so, you know, and I would tell people that I had a girlfriend and stuff, so but it didn't really bring her around, um, because we only dated for like two months. But, um, she. So, yeah, I, I can only assume that that's how my dad and other people figured it out. Um, but it's sort of like, I kind of feel like people forgot because I've been, I've dated so many men, um, and I'm dating a man currently, so people just kind of forget about bisexual women, I guess. And, like, I don't even identify as bi anymore. I identify as gay even though I'm still with man. Um, but, but yeah. So, like, it's easy to just take for granted that women have sex with men, I guess. And so my brother came out as gay a few years ago, Um, and he actually is kind of by some sort of likes girls, but not a lot. And he is in a poly quad with three other gay men, which is awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=214.12,327.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It was. It was three. Three. Did I only meet two of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=330.19,334.06"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think you're only about to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=334.75,335.89"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=336.64,336.85"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e The New Zealand boys. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=337.87,340.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Those guys are cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=341.56,342.64"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e They are. Those guys are cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=343.09,343.78"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So it's an acquired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=344.89,345.37"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you pretty much entered a preexisting triad, and. And now they're all dating on various levels. Like, they're not all dating equally, but, you know, and now we're going into poly and queer. Um, yeah, but, um. But, hey, that's part of my queer experience. It is. So. And that's part of his queer experience. But but, yeah, I guess gay men, like, get such a reaction, you know what I mean? It's like. I don't know what it is like. If people like when you ask people like, what's your opinion about the gays? Like they think about gay men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=346.06,387.13"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Right? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=387.94,388.34"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And they they're either like, oh, gross. Or they're like, Whatever, We don't care. But, you know, and if they think about lesbians, it's like, okay, I've watched lesbian porn. Yes, but but like, I don't know. So that's it kind of it's like made to revolve around gay men. And I think in a way, people probably forgot that some degree of gay I remind them periodically because I don't hide it, you know. But but yeah, I think people just kind of don't they're not compelled by it. You know, in my family, at any rate. I think of other coming out experiences.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=388.66,435.71"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Any other like social networks, like ever. I don't know if you ever went to a community college or workplace or like you kind of moved to a new town or. Mhm. You know, I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=437.42,453.59"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I mean I moved a lot all through my life, but you know, after my teen years I still moved quite a lot. Um, but I never really had like a local community except for in North County with the Carlsbad people. So even like when I moved to San Marcos and then I moved to Fallbrook, then I moved to Riverside and like, that was still my people. Um, so I was very, very, very out to them from the get go. Um, and uh, because those folks were kind of my, my first like sprawling friend group, I always had really small, you know, outcast kind of friends. And this was a big outcast group. And so it was a lot more people that whose reactions, you know, would matter to other people or something, you know. Um, but I was always really out and I always made lesbianism available to myself because, um, I hated a lot of things about my first relationship, but one of them was that we were super monogamous and that even doing stuff with girls was not okay. Um, so, so I always wanted that to be an option for me. Um. And then I did go to college, went from when I was like 18 to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=455.83,554.96"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Hold on. Can I back up real quick? Easy first relationship? Do you mean your first straight relationship or your first relationship? And it happened to be a straight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=556.25,563.66"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Really? Yeah. Yeah. My first relationship happened to be a straight relationship. I mean, it didn't happen. I guess. Like, I knew it was going to be a man, but. But yeah, I was a boy when I was 14 and that was who first having sex with, um, when I was 15. But, um, you know, but like, I always knew that I liked girls and, like, I always thought about girls, but I guess, I don't know, it kind of nobody told me that it was cool to just not do guys like. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=563.96,602.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that's like, a thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=603.12,603.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So? So. And it just happened that my first boyfriend was an outwardly semi kind of emo Asian boy. Um, I don't know if that maybe that was what did it. And he wasn't super. He was scrawny and like, not super masculine. He was nerdy, you know, maybe his friend. This was like, part of what drew me to him, um, because we were particularly close when we got together. Um, but I was just like, it's time. Like, it's time for a partner or a boyfriend. And I would have done it a lot earlier, but, um, I hated everything and everyone, and people didn't particularly like me either, so that didn't happen. Um, but, but yeah, so that relationship lasted like a year and a half. And after that, I dated a girl for like two months, three months. But we lived kind of far from each other, so it didn't work out. And she was kind of dumb. So I was like, okay, well, I'm not really more efficient. So yeah, yeah, I guess so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=604.16,682.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, so back to what we were talking about. I forgot something about the friend group.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=682.94,691.31"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Um. And coming out, wanting to be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=692.24,696.8"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes. Somewhat open from then on regarding women as an option.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=697.23,703.01"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=703.58,704.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No matter if you're in a relationship or not. Right? What you mean? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=705.17,708.02"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. Yeah. And that's what I didn't know what polyamory was at that point. Um, and I had never known anybody who did polyamory, but it was kind of a thing where five girls were in relationships, and then they would basically have an assumption that it was okay to do stuff with. Girls because it's not a guy. So you're not cheating on your boyfriend. Which is stupid, but that's that's how people got away with it. But as it turns out, my boyfriend was not cool with that as much. So that didn't happen till after we broke up. And then, um, I dated a girl who had a boyfriend already. This boyfriend was actually the best friend of my boyfriend. Um, so, like, as couples, like, we. We were together often, and, and this girl was super fun, and I knew that I was going to date her because I saw her for, like, a second at summer school the previous year. And I was like, Who is this tragic, beautiful little gothic woman? Um, and then later she got together with, with my boyfriend's friend. And, and so that was like my in and we became really good friends, and I ended up dating her, But it got really weird because now I'm in a triad with her and her boyfriend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=708.35,803.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And right now, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=804.79,806.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, no. At this point in history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=806.95,808.96"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So you're still 14 or 16?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=809.59,812.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e 16 at this point of. Yeah. And so, um. So he assumed that that meant he had access to me. And I was like, nodded.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=812.83,824.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like a perfect triangle. Right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=825.19,826.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like a more like a V? Yes, absolutely. A V And. And yes. So he got real butthurt and she ended up breaking up with him, actually. Yeah. So I felt like a little bit of a homewrecker, especially because we were not together that long, but. And they had dated for like over a year also. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=827.19,848.67"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But that's just how it is sometimes, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=849.94,851.86"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I guess. And they probably had other stuff going on, and she was really put off by the entitled behavior that he was doing like that, that he felt like I owed him something by dating his girlfriend. Mhm. And so she didn't like that at all. So she broke up with him and then we did it for like three months and I broke up with her. Yeah, but, but yeah. So, so I kept that an option. I didn't want to do that kind of thing again. Yeah. Um, and, and like I just mostly had flings and, like, casual sex. I mean, with people in general, but especially girls. Look, I still haven't had really a serious relationship with a woman. Um, I would like to. I'm actively seeking that, but, um. But I haven't really done it. I don't really know how to how to do with girls, because, like, with guys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=852.37,915.78"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No one else here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=917.34,918.36"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, yeah, No one ever tells me of different. Yeah, it's so different. And like, I get, I really take for granted that difference because I get along really well with women and I love women. And most of my really good friends are women. And we just talk to each other like people and it's not a big deal. But like when there's, like courtship thing going on, like it's a total game changer because there's no gender assumptions to rely on. So like, they I end up asking a lot of questions and, you know, trying to get to know women. And then I, I start I notice that they're not asking questions back. And I'm like, is this a lack of rapport or is this them taking a more submissive position in this and I'm the pursuer and they're being pursued like, is that what's going on? Or am I being a creep and just continually asking them questions and they have no interest in me? Yeah, So I have no idea of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=918.9,984.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e And they're like suddenly like, oh, huh, I don't know. That would that would be more if they wouldn't keep talking and you didn't care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=984.84,992.4"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. And like that. And, and that would be more obvious, like if they were just like, ah, like. Oh cool. Or something like that. But like, they answer my questions, and then sometimes I'll be like, okay, I'll back off a little bit. And then sometimes I'm just fucking rude and they don't know how to. Especially because like, sometimes I'm on shit like Tinder, I'll match with like a, like an 18 year old or a 19 year old. And I'm like, I really didn't appreciate what an age difference that is. And so sometimes I don't I guess I don't know how to talk to young people or something. So that's been awkward sometimes. It was one very awkward woman and that was so weird because that's like peak my curiosity right at like around 18, 19. And so, and like, I've always been that person that women go, Hey, I might like girls, Do you want to have sex with me? And I'm like, Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=993.18,1058.43"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like that stereotypical, like, Oh, I had a college like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1060.26,1063.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I'm the college thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1064.37,1065.81"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You're into politics. You're a part of the college experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1066.98,1069.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I guess I'm the mobile college experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1069.98,1072.17"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Incredible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1073.16,1073.16"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And that's happened to me many times, but I don't really mind. It doesn't bother me, but it's a little strange and it's a little bit of a weird place to try and get out of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1074.0,1084.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like a phenomenon. Yeah, like it's not an isolated incident.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1084.29,1087.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1088.84,1088.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1089.35,1089.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not just a couple, like, one or two. Like, okay, this is chance. But no, like, several people have been or tried to be that to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1090.77,1100.97"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Or positioned you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1101.69,1102.48"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. And sometimes I accept it and sometimes I didn't. But it's not was so yeah it was basically it. So I'm basically like cool with that and I'm like, All right, I'll be your I'll be your adventure, I guess. And yeah, this chick was just so awkward and shit, like she had a boyfriend and she was hanging out with her friend while she was messaging me. And then they got super drunk and we were like, dirty talking. And then she got horny and sucked her friend's dick. And then they were fucking. And I was like, How does that what, what did you do? So yeah. And she was like, So you don't think you can, like, have a threesome with me and my boyfriend? I'm like, No, I don't. I don't do that, guys. I don't do that. And she was like, Oh, that sucks, because I really wanted to try that with you. And I was like, Yeah, you're a little crazy. But.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1102.83,1166.25"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, back to, if you don't mind, back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1167.07,1169.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e To keep me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1169.34,1170.21"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e On track. I'm doing I'm, I feel like I'm like, I don't want to interrupt, but at the same time, I'm like, I want to get to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1170.33,1175.29"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e You, too. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think you're trying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1175.42,1177.26"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e To do right. Um, so, yeah. Any other, like, notable experiences? I know you said something about work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1177.47,1186.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, yeah, if that's a relevant time period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1187.7,1191.21"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, I think up until about. I think it was 1222 or 24. I don't know. I don't know what the youth is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1192.41,1205.97"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't know what youth is either. Apparently, I'm not. But, um. Well, I guess when I got my first job at a grocery store, um, I. I didn't really come out. Like, I never really. And it was kind of like that too, in school or like in college. And because I dropped out of high school at 16, so there wasn't a lot of room for that. But in college, it was kind of the same as with work where I was not. Like, I wouldn't pretend that I was straight. But I never guess, like, Hey, I'm gay. You know, like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1206.65,1259.99"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Hi, I'm Blake. And also I'm gay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1260.23,1262.54"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1262.9,1262.9"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1263.35,1263.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So you consider me for this position?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1266.47,1268.03"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. Before you hire me, you should know I'm gay. I'm a I'm a big gay. At least a bit. And, yeah, so. But I did tell people, like, as it came up, like one guy, the boy in the meat department was very into me, and he would do that dude thing where guys ask about your friend or something. That's like a legit way of male flirting is like asking about your friend. Yeah, well, I don't understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1268.66,1302.59"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I don't know what you even.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1302.71,1303.61"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, really? It's like. It's like this. He. It's like he asks about, like, do you have any single friends, you know, or. Or who's your friend there? You know, apparently that's a way of hitting on you. Yeah. No, it's so common. Like, I've been asked this so many times, and like, I had to read, like, in a book that that's a way that men hit on women is by asking about their friend. I don't know what the fuck that's like. It's like nagging, almost. Oh, I make.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1303.91,1337.15"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1337.6,1337.6"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, Well, what about my friend?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1338.71,1339.79"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's like a pick up situation. I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1340.09,1341.77"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it's like and if you happen to be single, it's like, well, who gives a shit about my single friends? I'm single, you know? And so that's like the I guess. I don't know, it's stupid. I would never do that. But he so he would ask about, you know, dude, so do you know any single girls like that I could get to know or something? And I'm like, I don't even know any single girls I could get to know. And so he was like, Oh, are you, are you bi? Are you like that? And I was like, Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1341.97,1371.95"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e By it's you didn't say. You didn't say, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1372.29,1375.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Know, I didn't say gay. I tended.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1375.7,1377.11"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, how old were you at this point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1378.03,1379.24"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, like 20.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1379.94,1380.5"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1380.98,1380.98"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I didn't start like, I didn't really realize that I'm, like, pretty gay until, like, last year. Oh, okay. Um, I've had various phases, I guess, of. Of being gay, gay, gay and being like, yeah, I, I guess I'm dealt with that too. Um, but yeah, I, last year, I hooked up with my one of my best friends, one of my old friends, and we've always had like chemistry and stuff, and we've hooked up before too. Um, but it's been a long time, and I don't see her very much. We were partying. It was my friend's bachelorette party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1381.76,1421.0"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I actually have heard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1421.39,1422.05"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e This yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1422.26,1422.56"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Story before, So if I may redirect again. Um. So you, if I remember correctly, kind of see yourself as more non-binary than one man. Female girl.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1423.22,1442.82"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Yeah, that's true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1443.75,1445.91"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e When did you two partner? When did you figure that out for yourself? Part two. Like, when did you ever tell people that? You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1446.42,1459.44"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1461.27,1461.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Because you have to figure it out for yourself first. You kind of have to, you know. Yeah. It's like you found yourself. You accept. Right. Like, cause, you know, there's, like, the. Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1464.51,1475.07"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like I always knew. But yeah, you had to accept.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1476.39,1478.58"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e You have to figure out what the word A maybe is for it or. Yeah, figure out that there's not. You're not. I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1479.27,1484.85"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, definitely. And that that was more of a thing with my gender identity than with my sexual identity, because I didn't know about words like bisexual when I was young, you know? And of course, when I was like eight, I saw that tattoo video with the girls making out on MTV. I was like, Yeah, that seems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1485.09,1503.87"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e All the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1504.23,1504.41"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Things she said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1504.53,1504.92"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e All the things you said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1505.25,1505.85"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Honestly, that it was what, a jam, what a.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1507.14,1509.54"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Jam and what music video turning, turning girls all over the country, gig through the TV.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1509.6,1516.35"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I think. I think there's something to be said about that, you know, another time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1516.77,1520.25"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e But yeah, yeah. So, so I had kind of the words, but I didn't really think about it with myself that much, with my sexual identity, but with my gender identity, I sort of experienced it as just being, you know, because I thought of myself as just a child. Like, I didn't think, Oh, I'm a girl. Like I'm a child. Like, I actually more thought of myself as like a puppy or something. And I did have a long period of time when I was like six of walking around on all fours and being a puppy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1520.7,1557.39"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But that's like, great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1558.2,1559.97"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That's something. So I didn't you know, I didn't particularly like pink or like dresses. I liked jelly shoes and I liked creepers when they came out. Um, that's not just a girl shoe now, but it was pretty much a girl shoe when it came out. And, uh, you know, like rhinestones and shit like that and really, like a lot of that stuff. But like, and I noticed really early on the way that people treated me as different than, like little boys because I was a little girl and I was a really cute little girl. So the way people fawned over me and like, the way people talk to me was obviously different and I didn't appreciate it. Like, even a little bit. Um, I mean, I didn't appreciate that people talk to children differently than adults, and I always wanted to talk to adults because I had stuff to say and I was, I could read and I was smart and, you know, stuff like that. But, but yeah, So I didn't really have any idea what that was like, you know? And I guess I first told somebody about it when I was like. I was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1560.69,1657.21"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e 20.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1657.42,1657.42"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Years. It was pretty late and I still hadn't heard any terms for non-binary people. It was either trans or not trans, and so I knew I wasn't a trans man, so I was like, I'm not trans. But I told one of my friends that, um, and he was kind of like a gender Bentz CIS male. And he would say things like, I don't, you know, totally identify with maleness and like, you know, sometimes I feel more like a woman than a man. And I'm like, Oh, that's cool. And so I told him and another person had a chat on the Internet that if I were to describe myself most accurately, it would be that I have no gender, that I don't identify with gender at all. And and so it was they were just kind of like, okay, that's cool. And then like weeks later, I heard the term gender and I heard non-binary and gender fluid and stuff like that. And then that year, I think it was that year Ruby Rose came out with that video. The break for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1658.29,1739.62"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1740.07,1740.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And then everybody was like, Why is non-binary?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1741.19,1745.5"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah. And so is she and or they. I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1746.72,1751.12"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e No. Well yes, I think, I think her pronouns are she, but I think she identifies as gender fluid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1751.56,1760.29"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Which would make sense if that video wasn't like advertising anything. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1762.15,1766.56"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e It was just like she just, just wanted to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1766.92,1768.63"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Do it. Hey, here's the thing. Yeah, it's almost like a coming out and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1768.75,1773.08"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, exactly. That's how I. That's how I saw it. I really think that's kind of how everybody saw it. And so it just kind of like, rocked everybody's world a little bit. And people who were like, on the fence about like, like trans. Now maybe not for me, Then they were like, okay, that's for me, you know? And so that's kind of like where I was with that. So Ruby Rose was my all the things she said for gender.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1773.56,1796.41"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e There a lot of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1797.19,1802.14"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, but yeah, and so that was cool. And like the trans community did like a huge one in like the span of five years because it used to be that trans people were their own biggest critics and like, they were the quickest to tear down other trans people because of, like, passing privilege and you know how far you'll transition and stuff like that. And if you were just just a cross-dresser or a transvestite or a drag queen and you're not really trans and stuff like that and like it was really heavily policed by itself and I don't know what it was, but in like literally a couple of years it turned around completely and it was like, whatever anyone wants to do with their gender is literally okay. And it's nobody's business to tell you that you're not passing or that you're not the gender you think you are. And so I was like, Wow, what a groovy fucking shift that happened there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1805.62,1873.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e So as that started happening, I assume you were coming out basically more and more, knowing what your view, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1874.02,1881.22"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e That my experience had like context. Yeah, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1882.39,1887.67"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Where did you ever start feeling that you did fit in to the trans label? Because I mean, I guess there are some non-binary people who are hesitant to call themselves trans just because they're like, Well, I don't I don't know what the what I don't struggle enough with being trans. So, you know, that's.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1887.91,1911.43"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Pretty much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1911.64,1911.82"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Me liminal space. But. Hmm. So would you not necessarily consider yourself trans then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1912.03,1919.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I and like, I still have a really hard time with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1920.25,1924.27"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Like, because like, just by the wink definite blanket definition, it's just anyone who doesn't identify with the gender assigned at birth. Mm hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1924.45,1936.96"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. So, like, under that definition, then. Yeah, like, I guess I'm trans.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1937.86,1941.04"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e But in the more, I guess, colloquial sense, because I guess there's kind of more than one meaning in a way of. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1941.61,1949.2"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Like you're like, of your experience, you know, like I don't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1949.41,1952.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Read your experiences. Yeah. You have a you can. Your experience, a trans experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1952.98,1957.72"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Hey, I generally don't, and I don't know if that's because my experience is not particularly trans or if it's like internalized transphobia or because, like, I kind of remember I was talking to a trans woman friend of mine about it and I was like, Is non-binary, even trans? Like, I feel bad calling myself trans because trans people have it the literal roughest. And, um, and like, I'm really cis passing like straight since passing. Um, so I have a lot of privilege in that way, I guess. And so but she was like, Yeah, you're trans. And I was like, Huh. And that was like, comforting and also, like, what the fuck? I'm trans. And it kind of like, bothered me that I had this weird kind of negative reaction. Like, like, I think it was just transphobia, you know, just that, just that I didn't want to be trans, um, which I worked really hard to, um, to get over because that's silly. There's nothing wrong with I like trans people and, and it was just an odd kind of thing. It's kind of like how parents do, and they did this to my brother kind of with like, they're totally pro gay in their same sex marriage and whatever. And then they have a gay in the family and they're like, Oh, I'm not really cool with this this close to me. Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=1958.44,2055.38"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e That's really interesting. Sometimes it's like the opposite thing that happens where they, like, feel one way about it and then they have a gay kid and they're like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2056.51,2064.04"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Warm up. Yeah. And then they're like, Oh, it's so bad. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2065.03,2067.489"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e For your family, it was similar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2067.82,2069.71"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Interesting. Yeah, it is kind of odd. I mean, I, I'm pretty sure they're over it now, but it just kind of like, is a shock, I guess. It's like one thing to understand something as this exists out in the world and I'm fine with that or, you know, as opposed to this exists either in really close proximity to me where I have to experience it all the time or it's in myself that I, you know, that I am trans and I'm not okay with that or something, you know, So and like lately, like it's been really on and off thing. So lately I've kind of been back in the closet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2070.489,2107.93"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I was going to say, Does your family know about this and Venus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2109.37,2112.77"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Not really. Um, I pretty much just. I like to other people. I pretty much just identify myself as a gender non-conforming woman. Um, you know, and I like, you know, like I'm growing my hair long again, and I like feminine kind of terms, like lesbian or, like, you know. Yes, like stuff like that, you know. Um, but. But you can do that and be non-binary. Can be a non binary femme, you know. Exactly. And, and still be, you know, assigned female at birth and still be femme and still be nonbinary. So like, inside I'm still non-binary, but I just like. I guess it's the whole because I don't have the trans experience, I guess that I just kind of let people think that I'm cis.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2114.05,2174.99"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e A lot of people do this. Yeah, you're not. You're definitely not alone in that situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2176.01,2181.98"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. Um, so that's, like, comforting. But I also don't know what to do about that or how that will go for me in the future. Mhm. And like, I've done stuff like, you know, I had my head shaved and I didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2185.21,2199.7"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It's interesting because it's like the only reason that you have this quandary is because of the assumption that people. The default of what the default human is, right? Yeah. Is like straight. Yes. And says so if you're femme they just assume that you're says but it's not it's not the it's not the it's not that way it's just so. At any rate that was my $0.02 on that. Yeah. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2200.57,2233.25"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Well that's good. That's good. $0.02. And, and as far as gender, like in the workplace, like I, I worked at Kohl's a couple of years ago and, you know, I had like buttons on my purse of like I had a pansexual button and I had a non-binary button, among other things. And so one of my coworkers just happened to notice and was like, I was looking at your buttons. And so you have pansexual and uh, what is and I know that like asexual is like black and purple and gray and stuff, and I think and so I was like, okay, so this person's down interesting. And, and then, and then she was like, But what is this one? And she pointed to the non-binary one of those like it's not very, you know, And so she was like, Oh, okay, cool. And then like later she came up to me when like she had a moment where there was not really anybody around and, and she was like, so like I said, you know, I saw that you had a non-binary and I wanted to ask you like what your pronouns are. And I was like, Oh, that's really cool like that. You want to do that, you know? And normally I would tell you that, that they use better, but, but um, don't call me that at work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2233.75,2316.37"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Is that what you prefer now and slash outside of a work scenario?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2317.54,2321.74"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, I don't know if I prefer it. I like it. Um, and I'm okay with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2322.7,2329.03"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e I shouldn't say prefer I should say. What are they now? As you know yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2329.18,2332.66"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e As I know myself, I think. I don't know. I think they would probably be the most accurate. Okay. Um, and but I, you know, identify myself to the outside world as she, you know, and I don't correct people if they call me she or.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2336.7,2361.64"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e It doesn't give you social dysphoria to have to be called. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2362.87,2367.73"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I think that's very I think that's like where I'm at is that like I'm so I'm much more comfortable with my with people perceiving me as just female and as a woman. Um, and like calling me she and stuff like that. So, and it doesn't, I don't have a lot of body dysphoria, um, especially not nowadays. Um, and so I guess because I'm not bothered by it particularly, I just like, let it happen, I guess, which is like probably a bad habit, but like, that's tough. Yeah, it's tough because it's like if I were to be like, Hey, it's cool if you call me, she, I don't really care, but if you call me here or whatever, but like, they is more accurate, you know, like, I can't even say like my, like my proper pronoun is they because, like, I mean, that's true, but it's like, I don't care that much. I guess it's just because, you know, like I because I don't identify with gender as a concept, like, not like any ID is fine with me pretty much, you know, I see. And like people when I had my head, when I had my head, my hair short and like I kind of was more Maskey you know, a couple of years ago, sometimes people would miss gender me or I guess as gender as male. Sure. At first glance, because I do have a pretty funny face and my voice especially is not a man voice. So. So yeah, like one lady mistook me for a man at the bus stop and asked me like for the time. And I turned around and I had a little bit of makeup on because I was on my way to a job interview and, and she was like, Oh, I thought you were a dude. I'm sorry. Like, it's, you know, like, I live in L.A. and like, anybody could be anybody there and, you know, so sorry. And I'm like, Dude, it's fine. Like, I literally don't care. I'm almost happy that you did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2368.33,2499.91"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 3:\u003c/strong\u003e I was like, Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2500.4,2505.1"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e And people would do double takes when I would go out with Frankie, you know, my boyfriend and and people, I looks like we looked like a gay couple, you know, So people would, would kind of like what? Like it was tiny white boy and this like Mexican beer, you know, like Frankie's totally a bear. Yeah. And, and that was like, how we looked. And then. And then people would see like that. I had other features, I guess, that are really feminine, and they're like, Okay, well, what the fuck is this? Still weird no matter what, But at least they're not gays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2506.66,2547.04"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Woo!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2549.5,2549.5"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Woo woo, boy. Yeah, exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2549.91,2552.53"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Ooh, Yikes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2553.19,2553.52"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Yikes. Oh, yeah. It's all around. Well, is there any other, like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2555.08,2561.47"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e None of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2563.54,2563.84"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 2:\u003c/strong\u003e Question is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2563.96,2564.59"},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eSpeaker 1:\u003c/strong\u003e Now was very. Yeah. Colonel Graham here. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your narrative. Your experience was really informative. Thank you. Cool. You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839#t=2565.85,2578.06"}]},{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://archive.empathyarchive.com/collections/1731/collection_resources/56644/file/130839/transcript/49332/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/332/original/open-uri20230830-932127-acljbx?1693412207","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/049/332/original/open-uri20230830-932127-acljbx?1693412207"}]}]}]}